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Old 09-02-2016 | 08:24 AM
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This displacement should throughly gum up 777 training until spring.
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Old 09-02-2016 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
This displacement should throughly gum up 777 training until spring.
I think you're right. And to add to that, I'm willing to be there will be some 787 volunteers that will be able to game the system by not getting into training on the 777 and get to use their own seniority (instead of volunteer seniority) to displace using 8-F-9 adding yet another wrench lol.
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Old 09-02-2016 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
This displacement should throughly gum up 777 training until spring.
The August SSC report showed that the 777 training was already booked through the end of November! So, you still have whatever bids from the last vacancy bid that haven't gotten a class date, the 9 or 10 pilots from the first 25 787 bumps that need class, and then however many go to the triple from the remaining 50 IAH 787 and 92 ORD 747 (which I am guessing will be about 70-80) So, that is probably over 100 just on the FO side that will need to be trained.

I assume that the IAH 787 folks will go first , as they will need the ORD 747 pilots to keep flying up until the end of December.
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Old 09-02-2016 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
This displacement should throughly gum up 777 training until spring.


Originally Posted by UALinIAH
I think you're right. And to add to that, I'm willing to be there will be some 787 volunteers that will be able to game the system by not getting into training on the 777 and get to use their own seniority (instead of volunteer seniority) to displace using 8-F-9 adding yet another wrench lol.

Going from 47 or 87 to the 777 does not require a full course. It's a differences course for both. Still gonna keep TK busy for a while that is true, and if history is any indicator some folks will be able to game the system and stay at home waiting for training for many months.

Personally I just want to get it over with and move on hopefully to growing the wide body fleet in 2018. I've got my eye on 756 CAP in EWR but over the last year I actually went backwards 2% on that list. I moved up over 20% on the 737 CAP list to just under 50% now, but those 756 Caps at the top are "dug in". Ah well . . . 20 years in the right seat . . . what's another year or two
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Old 09-02-2016 | 10:44 AM
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Don't rain on his parade!! He has been so excited about this for YEARS!! Most would be excited about what you posted new planes, growth, everyone getting where they want to be. Nope not on here! Please delete your post and in its place add a bumpidy bump!
Still amazes me how some guys get pleasure from watching the wake of a displacement affect their fellow pilots lives. I for one feel bad for the guys/gals getting displaced as a 5-6 week undesired training event is not what I'd consider to be fun. But hey "LOOK OUT BELOW"... bunch a dorks.
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Old 09-02-2016 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SUX4U
Still amazes me how some guys get pleasure from watching the wake of a displacement affect their fellow pilots lives. I for one feel bad for the guys/gals getting displaced as a 5-6 week undesired training event is not what I'd consider to be fun. But hey "LOOK OUT BELOW"... bunch a dorks.
It's nothing more than morbid humor. Nobody takes pleasure in seeing this happen. It's no different than taking a peak at a bad accident to see if you can catch a glimpse of the injured.
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Old 09-02-2016 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunvox
Going from 47 or 87 to the 777 does not require a full course. It's a differences course for both.
Sorry, but am almost positive that is not the case. Full course.
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Old 09-02-2016 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunvox
Going from 47 or 87 to the 777 does not require a full course. It's a differences course for both.
May be technically true from an FAA standpoint, but I don't believe that is the case here for us. All the 747 FOs that took the first bump and went to the 777, got a full course.
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Old 09-02-2016 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunvox
Going from 47 or 87 to the 777 does not require a full course. It's a differences course for both.
My Sim partner for the 787 was a 747 guy and that was full course. Every 747 guy I have met was full course. With that said the
777->787 pilots were a short 2 week differences course.
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Old 09-02-2016 | 08:24 PM
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From the beginning of the 787 design Boeing had a short course for differences between the 777 and 787. I believe I heard the min Boeing course is 3 days and I'm not sure how many sims. Boeing was trying to duplicate the 767/757 abilities for pilot staffing.

There never was a Boeing short differences course for 747, 777.

For regulatory purposes the airlines can equal or exceed the manufacturer's approved training and in UAL/CAL's case they exceed the min Boeing differences course.
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