New snapshot out. Personally the biggest surprise to me is how junior DEN Bus CA is currently. I doubt that will remain though.

Go to PBS and pull the pairings - mystery solved! I'm happy that there's the opportunity for guys to chase the money. Maybe I'm getting lazy in my old age, but chasing that carrot isn't all there is for me.

The career needs to be rewarding in the here and now so that in the future it will be both secure and financially rewarding. In order for that to be so it should be predictable so that the pilots can manage their decision-making.

When the age limit gets raised the safety bar gets lowered. I don't believe the cognative skills are what they were. ALPA ignores this, and I think it's a mistake.

Those pilots who are already retired at age 60 are no longer part of the craft and class, and therefore it would be both illegal and a conflict of interest to negotiate on their behalf as they are no longer dues paying members in good standing. They may feel free to write their congressman, but they have no standing in ALPA. So your question as it pertains to those who retired at age 60 is moot indeed.

I presume that all of those between the ages of 40 to 65 (presently flying) have suffered under onerous conditions in one form or another depending on who and where they were flying. I don't presume that I am the only one who has been affected by the combination of mergers, age 65, and post 9-11 contractual give-backs, seniority erosion, seniority stagnation and retirement/benefit reductions (or freezes).

Another words, those in the aviation industry post 9-11 were uniquely affected by the trifecta of doom: contractual give-backs, monetary give-backs, and career reversion.

I would hope that our bargaining unit and the worlds largest aviation union will be proactive to insure we don't experience that trifecta of doom again. The three legs of the stool need to be in place for this career to be worth the investment. Strong Contracts, Competitive pay/benefits, and a predictable career path. if one, two, or three legs of the stool get broken this career will surely suck again. I pay my dues to make sure this career doesn't suck.

Yeah, like Alpa stared them in the eye and said wearing a dumb *** green vest on a walk around and said No!

Man, they sure seem to be shrinking Fifi in ORD! What happened to "ORD, DEN, IAH, and SFO"?

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Some forced out at 60 were essentially cast aside with little to no safety net. Makes you appreciate what you have.

My net is sporting a gaping hole this as of this week. Make your 401k suffer again? ;)

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It'll be interesting to see how today's announcement of deferring 61 737s indefine tly affect this bid and the future bids.

I fly with quite a few FOs who were waiting for those 737s to arrive before upgrading so they could have better seniority. I imagine a lot of bypasse pilots are going to jump to the CA seat now that growth is off the table. Upgrade time probably just went from 5 years to 10.

WB FO seats are probably going to go more senior now too........grab a seat you want now or you are going to miss the boat. Well still have upward movement but at a much slower rate than we all planed.

I doubt it. Much of this bidding was happening before the announcement of the new planes. I predict it doesn't change anything. We are still hiring 630 next year which is more than last year.