whalesurfer

I’ve been told there are around 175 ACPs, ~ 155 flight qualified. Some have left but yes they’ve still hiring their replacements. (NUR-nurps?) Believe they all got a nice pay raise recently. (~25-30%) Source was another nurp so take it with a grain of salt.

Airbum

If I am correct these smaller aircraft are contractually agreed to by the mainline pilots and limited in size and number.

Ups also has limited subcontracting spelled out. Ie. like the majors pax airlines. IPA pilots are not required to fly say a shorts 360 or the hundreds of smaller aircraft UPS uses everyday to move the cargo.

What was not agreed upon in contract talks is the land grab UPS is now attempting.

With no enforceable scope clause UPS will run roughshod over its pilot group.

PastV1by10

So for the brown kool aid drinkers thinking this is the end all and be all aviation job. Ask the union why almost 30 guys in the past 2 years have left here for better pastures. About 6 were terminated or forced out but over 20 have left on their own for better jobs, yes Delta and Fedex. Is it the worse job, no, not if you work at a regional for squat and want the same crappy schedules we have here, but it isn't what most on these sites promote, thread carefully coming here.

Rocket Bob

So 1 a month in the greatest airline hiring spree of all time? How many have left southwest for American? How many have left United for Delta? In the general scheme of things, 1 a month is nothing, and no, this gig isn’t for everyone for sure

CactusCrew

You are correct. That is the BIG difference. The subcontracting that is occurring right now at UPS was NOT agreed to.

UPS doesn't give a crap about its employee agreements. If they think they have a better way to do things, they will ignore and violate an agreement.

FTv3

But obviously it’s never been bad enough for you to leave, has it....?

Hate to interject those pesky little things called facts but remind us all how many of the 109 furloughed came back?

How many of these thirty, oops-honest mistake, 20, that left had made it past their probation year?

Which major airline doesn’t have guys leaving for other companies?

List the last 3 things you’ve done to try to improve the conditions at UPS?

howardhughes8

Have you seen Fedex bid packages lately? I have, for all fleets. Do you know they are instituting pretty much PBS with the secondary line process?

I also know a few here and there that have left a legacy for another legacy, Fedex for Delta, etc. Do many people leave Fedex to come here? Probably not. The moral of the story is the grass is not always greener on the other side.

Also, do you think UPS management is doing the WG subcontracting just to p.. off the IPA and p... all over the CBA? Could it not be as simply as they planned poorly, got caught with their pants down and have to scramble to meet customer demand as not to permanently loose any business? Is it right? Of course not. Is it egregious? Probably not as they are fully admitting that lift belongs to IPA pilots.

People come here and complaint over and over, about anything and everything, yet I see a company which is investing BILLIONS of dollars in infrastructure, two additional planes announced today, showing double digit growth, etc. Are they as aggresive as say Fedex management? Obviously not, and they are behind the power curve and will take some time to catch up. Nobody is denying the conservative approach UPS management takes.

Imagine if management really got their stuff together what could be accomplished, they are still growing double digits, slightly higher operating margins than Fedex, despite getting in the way of themselves. For the first time, they admitted they admitted they need help and hired an outsider to become Chief Transformation Officer, fresh blood with a new perspective. Lots of changes you don’t see. You should really read in detail all the financial disclosures, all the info Wall Street firms and UPS investors have to say, which is UPS got caught with their pants down but are attacking the issue as quickly as possible. New large hubs in ATL and SLC will help tremendously avoid last peak’s meltdown. Is it going to be perfect? Of course not, not by a longshot.

Fedex has good things, so does Delta, AA, etc. But so does UPS. This job may not be better than Fedex or any other legacy, but it is most definitely on par. With any job, it is what you make of it. Come to work, enjoy the people you fly with, don’t get caught up with all the politics, let the IPA deal with that, which by the way is probably the strongest, most united organization representing pilots.

UPS is NOT a perfect job, but neither is Fedex, Delta, AA, etc.

Btw, no kool aid whatsoever. Simply stating facts.

whalesurfer

Now that I have your attention. :-)

APC is sort of like Facebook. No one has ever changed his or her mind based on posts they read online.
People who hate this place will always hate it. Period. It’s a marriage beyond repair.
People who think it’s an awesome company to work for will always look for the positives because it’s in their dna.
We are all wired differently and we all have different experiences. ..and technically both sides are correct because they simply share their personal experiences.

However, as it’s been suggested many times before, this is a thread for potential brownie wannabies.

So those who post negative comments about ups in general aren’t helpful to those who’re simply looking for a job. ..but neither are those who reply to such posts.

Feel free to start ‘why I hate working for brown’ versus ‘brown is da bomb’ threads and we’ll all chime in.

So plz let’s get back to...


Interviews, Classes and General Hiring 2018

FTv3

^^^^^^^ Game. Set. Match!!!

howardhughes8

I believe my post is exactly what a newbie would want to know. It is a good job, not perfect, the sky is not falling, but it ain’t all roses. However, benefits, pay, retirement second to none.