767pilot

Now I'll be able to buy that fancy foreign sports car I've had my eye on!

livetofly2123

Good morning, I was just wondering if someone could answer a question? I am looking at applying to UPS and wanted to know if anyone has gotten hired with less than 1000 hours of TPIC time. Also if they have I want to be sure they were not heavy pilots coming from somewhere else. I have 600 hours of TPIC in a 121 airline. I know there will be job fairs coming up and just want to make sure it would be worth it to go.

Thank you for anyone that has replied. Your information is appreciated.

FTv3

Perspective:

“Pilots aren’t treated well.” I rarely interact with UPS. When any issue has come up and I’ve had to deal with the SDF chief pilot’s office the process and outcome was all professional and reasonable. The company isn’t taking hostages, doesn’t capriciously terminate or discipline guys. I would say we aren’t treated with a lot of respect so yeah, if you want the luv go to SWA. Buyer beware, I hear they have their own issues.

“Have to fight more than other pilots.” Technically its our EB that does. For us line guys it’s: Wear a vest. Wear a lanyard. Don’t give any favors. Don’t waive the contract. Fly safe and remain united. That’s all that’s been asked of me for my contribution to the fight. Reading and knowing the contract is a major sacrifice required anywhere.

“Schedules suck.” Vote in PBS like the real airlines, see what you get as a result and then compare how bad you think schedules are now.

Not saying this place is great, but to advise avoiding it all costs is naive and ignorant.

FTv3

I think some of you aguys are missing the point. It’s not about what YOU or I get, it’s about the financial penalty to the company. $200 per PP = $7.3M annual fine to the company. No, it ain’t a knockout punch but it will leave a mark. Don’t blame the EB for UPS’s behavior, or more specifically the lack of legal means we have available to counteract their assaults.

ckap130

^^^^^^ +1

I'm a year 2 guy and I'm very happy here. Got buds at all the legacies and while they are generally happy too they all have their own gripes. No perfect choices out there so everyone prioritizes what is most important to them and their families, like domiciles, schedules, upgrade time, pay, etc..

Here are some specifics about my experience.

I live in domicile and I bid RSV, 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off. I average 5 -7 days of call outs over those 2 weeks but its usually for 1-2 days at a time. I am currently at 80% on the FO list in my base.

I fly 80/20 nights vs days. Some multi leg flights begin at 0200 and end at 1030...those suck.

Most of my legs are domestic north/south on the west coast 1.5-2 hr duration and most nights are 2 legs but 3 legs is not uncommon. Shortest leg is 7 mins...luv it.

I fly narrow body and wide body 75/76 about evenly split.

When I feel like it I pick up a HNL trip or Asia long haul trip just to mix things up a little.

I blocked 258 hrs my first year and that seemed to be about average compared to other guys in my class. My buds at Alaska all blocked over 900 hrs last year. Not saying one is better than the other...just data.

I will bring home well north of $200k in my second year. I do this by living in domicile and picking up extra trips.

Based on current projections I expect to upgrade at year 10. That could bump up to year 8 but if we continue to lag in training and aircraft acquisitions it could also move back to year 12. Don't care either way.

I have seen a manager 3 times during my time here..passing in the hallway. They don't treat my well or poorly, they are never around. Grab your paper work, BS a little in flight ops listening to pilots lying to each other, and walk to the crew van. That's it.

Anyway this has been my experience here at UPS and I have no problem recommending this place to someone..warts and all.

Sorry for the long post.

Busflyer

Good post.

CactusCrew

ckap130 lives in domicile, and bids RSV on an international fleet.

Very important factors in determining ones "quality of life" at big brown.

Nothing incorrect about the post, but it is a limited perspective.

Commuters and base trip line holders may have an entirely different experience.

BoilerUP

Perspective is vital, what one person thinks is garbage another thinks is good - plenty of niches here to suit just about everybody.

I would submit that pilots who 1. commute and 2. are junior complain about schedules at EVERY airline...not just UPS. I mean, a crashpad in Kew Gardens is the flip side of this coin...

mrvmo

I’m a commuter...commuted to ANC and currently SDF....I have had what I believe to be a great career at UPS so far....06 hire.

767pilot

As far as I know they lowered it from 1000 to 500 to help some legacies get in the door. That said, you're getting closer to a thousand and it's a long process so don't rule yourself out.