Leaving Delta for UPS?- 2021
04-19-2022, 07:08 PM
#171
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Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: 767 captain
Posts: 2,696
I don't know what the min guarantee is at DL but here it is 81.25 on an average calendar month. (75x13)/12. The company wants their pound of flesh. You'll get paid for it but yes, you'll work more here. Forget getting senior and flying 3, 3 day trips in a month. Our schedules just aren't written that way. It's a share the pain with seniority not meaning so much system. Yes, it's always better to be senior than junior, but once you get to the basics of the lines, there's not a world of difference between lines of similar types ie Europe, pac rim, round the world. Mostly, what day do you want to start. A good trip and a bad trip for all, vs two goods for the senior guy and two bads for the junior.
04-19-2022, 10:12 PM
#172
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,093
Originally Posted by Guppydriver95
ups is a great gig. Just don’t underestimate what a lifetime of back side of the clock flying does to your health. It’s no joke….I’m sure someone will jump on my post and demand I provide proof. There’s no need. NASA has done extensive studies and the science is clear. Humans are programmed to sleep when it’s dark. Turning that circadian rhythm cycle inside out for 20-30 years is bad for your health. Now, before the UPS guys get all butt hurt, this is not a slam on UPS!!! They have kick ass pay and retirement that are to be envied. I’m simply addressing the physiological issues associated with ANF. It’s one of many data points you should consider in your decision making process
Originally Posted by ForumMember
First time poster, wanted to get some wisdom from the forum. I am in a similar situation to the OP. I have approximately 3 years at Delta, not quite yet 40, and I have a job offer in an upcoming light class with UPS. I live in the Cincinnati area, so it is about a 1 hour 50 minute drive to the airport. I currently commute to DTW. The commute is ok now that we have positive space for the time being, but it is still a lot of wasted time, and will get much worse when positive space goes away. With UPS, I cannot sit reserve from home, but that shouldn't be such a big deal once I can hold a line. I am 98% sure going to UPS is the way to go, but I just wanted to see if there is anything I am not seeing.
Also, I hear people say that at UPS, you will have more time at home. It seems to me that lines are 14 workdays and 14 off days in a 28 day bid period. At Delta, I usually work 13-14 days a month, which gives me 16-18 days off. Obvioulsy, the credit will be less if working less, but it doesn't necessarily seem that you work less at UPS. Am I missing something? Thanks!
Also, I hear people say that at UPS, you will have more time at home. It seems to me that lines are 14 workdays and 14 off days in a 28 day bid period. At Delta, I usually work 13-14 days a month, which gives me 16-18 days off. Obvioulsy, the credit will be less if working less, but it doesn't necessarily seem that you work less at UPS. Am I missing something? Thanks!
A 1:50 drive to work is better than any commute by air.
Plus the stability, compensation, etc at UPS... It's an easy choice I think.
04-20-2022, 09:54 PM
#173
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2019
Posts: 39
Originally Posted by ForumMember
First time poster, wanted to get some wisdom from the forum. I am in a similar situation to the OP. I have approximately 3 years at Delta, not quite yet 40, and I have a job offer in an upcoming light class with UPS. I live in the Cincinnati area, so it is about a 1 hour 50 minute drive to the airport. I currently commute to DTW. The commute is ok now that we have positive space for the time being, but it is still a lot of wasted time, and will get much worse when positive space goes away. With UPS, I cannot sit reserve from home, but that shouldn't be such a big deal once I can hold a line. I am 98% sure going to UPS is the way to go, but I just wanted to see if there is anything I am not seeing.
Also, I hear people say that at UPS, you will have more time at home. It seems to me that lines are 14 workdays and 14 off days in a 28 day bid period. At Delta, I usually work 13-14 days a month, which gives me 16-18 days off. Obvioulsy, the credit will be less if working less, but it doesn't necessarily seem that you work less at UPS. Am I missing something? Thanks!
Also, I hear people say that at UPS, you will have more time at home. It seems to me that lines are 14 workdays and 14 off days in a 28 day bid period. At Delta, I usually work 13-14 days a month, which gives me 16-18 days off. Obvioulsy, the credit will be less if working less, but it doesn't necessarily seem that you work less at UPS. Am I missing something? Thanks!
Being UPS pilot for the past 26 yrs & my son is @ Delta, I’d say stay @ Delta.
The W2 & pension is probably better @ UPS, but our schedules blow.
You’ll live longer working @ Delta.
Money isn’t everything.
Stay healthy & be happy.
04-20-2022, 10:36 PM
#174
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Joined APC: May 2013
Position: No Hats No Jackets No PAX
Posts: 1,504
Originally Posted by Vdrive
Being UPS pilot for the past 26 yrs & my son is @ Delta, I’d say stay @ Delta.
The W2 & pension is probably better @ UPS, but our schedules blow.
You’ll live longer working @ Delta.
Money isn’t everything.
Stay healthy & be happy.
The W2 & pension is probably better @ UPS, but our schedules blow.
You’ll live longer working @ Delta.
Money isn’t everything.
Stay healthy & be happy.
*Interestingly enough, flew with a Delta pilot who took the early retirement due to the viral debacle. When I say flew, he is now with us and loving the flying. Enjoyed his time at Delta for well over two decades and now is cruising the world with us at Giant. Totally from a different perspective and timeframe no doubt, he is “healthy & happy” to finish out a few years roaming the planet. $ steers most decisions, but there’s something to be said about going to work happy, healthy and content not really running any race. Do what makes you happy!
07-21-2022, 06:57 AM
#175
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Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 5
Hi all!
I have a few questions that I couldn't find the answers anywhere here.
- How does the family ticket issue work? In the airlines we have free tickets per year to use with our family, in our company and the other airlines, that are part of the same alliance. But I don't know how it works on freighters, like UPS.
- Does the UPS retirement plan provide for continued staff travel? In other words, are retirees still entitled to discounted or free tickets?
Tks for the help.
I have a few questions that I couldn't find the answers anywhere here.
- How does the family ticket issue work? In the airlines we have free tickets per year to use with our family, in our company and the other airlines, that are part of the same alliance. But I don't know how it works on freighters, like UPS.
- Does the UPS retirement plan provide for continued staff travel? In other words, are retirees still entitled to discounted or free tickets?
Tks for the help.
07-21-2022, 07:11 AM
#176
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 2,930
Originally Posted by jste
Hi all!
I have a few questions that I couldn't find the answers anywhere here.
- How does the family ticket issue work? In the airlines we have free tickets per year to use with our family, in our company and the other airlines, that are part of the same alliance. But I don't know how it works on freighters, like UPS.
- Does the UPS retirement plan provide for continued staff travel? In other words, are retirees still entitled to discounted or free tickets?
Tks for the help.
I have a few questions that I couldn't find the answers anywhere here.
- How does the family ticket issue work? In the airlines we have free tickets per year to use with our family, in our company and the other airlines, that are part of the same alliance. But I don't know how it works on freighters, like UPS.
- Does the UPS retirement plan provide for continued staff travel? In other words, are retirees still entitled to discounted or free tickets?
Tks for the help.
07-21-2022, 07:16 AM
#177
Occasional box hauler
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 1,684
Originally Posted by jste
Hi all!
I have a few questions that I couldn't find the answers anywhere here.
- How does the family ticket issue work? In the airlines we have free tickets per year to use with our family, in our company and the other airlines, that are part of the same alliance. But I don't know how it works on freighters, like UPS.
- Does the UPS retirement plan provide for continued staff travel? In other words, are retirees still entitled to discounted or free tickets?
Tks for the help.
I have a few questions that I couldn't find the answers anywhere here.
- How does the family ticket issue work? In the airlines we have free tickets per year to use with our family, in our company and the other airlines, that are part of the same alliance. But I don't know how it works on freighters, like UPS.
- Does the UPS retirement plan provide for continued staff travel? In other words, are retirees still entitled to discounted or free tickets?
Tks for the help.
You will still have access to discounted standby tickets in retirement.
You will be making over $200k/yr (min guarantee)once you hit 2nd yr pay. Why would you subject your family to standby travel? Depending on fleet you may rack up some decent miles you could also use or you could just pay cash to go when and where you want.
07-21-2022, 11:41 AM
#178
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 5
Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr
We have access to discounted standby tickets on a significant number of US and international carriers, but no free tickets for family use. You can jumpseat free all over on our network, but your family cannot.
You will still have access to discounted standby tickets in retirement.
You will be making over $200k/yr (min guarantee)once you hit 2nd yr pay. Why would you subject your family to standby travel? Depending on fleet you may rack up some decent miles you could also use or you could just pay cash to go when and where you want.
You will still have access to discounted standby tickets in retirement.
You will be making over $200k/yr (min guarantee)once you hit 2nd yr pay. Why would you subject your family to standby travel? Depending on fleet you may rack up some decent miles you could also use or you could just pay cash to go when and where you want.
07-21-2022, 02:24 PM
#179
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: DC-8 756/767
Posts: 1,144
Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr
You will be making over $200k/yr (min guarantee)once you hit 2nd yr pay. Why would you subject your family to standby travel? Depending on fleet you may rack up some decent miles you could also use or you could just pay cash to go when and where you want.
This!!!! Why in Gods name would anyone in second year and beyond here subject your family to the possible horrors of flying standby on the PAX carriers. It’s bad enough when you actually pay these companies to get you from point A to B.
07-21-2022, 05:16 PM
#180
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Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 923
Originally Posted by UPSFO4LIFE
This!!!! Why in Gods name would anyone in second year and beyond here subject your family to the possible horrors of flying standby on the PAX carriers. It’s bad enough when you actually pay these companies to get you from point A to B.
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