Leaving Delta for UPS?- 2021
02-25-2022, 08:21 PM
#161
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 99
Which fleet is that on? Honestly that’s not for me
Originally Posted by C2078
Happens a lot where I work? Huh? Then you mention long day flying days… Sure… You try working 4-5 days with one day starting at 9pm, ending at 7am, next day 2am to 11am, then 5am to 2pm. No circadian rhythm whatsoever.
02-26-2022, 04:12 AM
#162
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 919
Originally Posted by Sirius
Which fleet is that on? Honestly that’s not for me
Quick glance at the latest bid packet didn’t show anything that extreme, at least on my fleet. That sounds like some reserve shenanigans, and if put in that position should be an easy fatigue call.
04-19-2022, 06:31 AM
#163
New Hire
Joined APC: Apr 2022
Posts: 1
First time poster, wanted to get some wisdom from the forum. I am in a similar situation to the OP. I have approximately 3 years at Delta, not quite yet 40, and I have a job offer in an upcoming light class with UPS. I live in the Cincinnati area, so it is about a 1 hour 50 minute drive to the airport. I currently commute to DTW. The commute is ok now that we have positive space for the time being, but it is still a lot of wasted time, and will get much worse when positive space goes away. With UPS, I cannot sit reserve from home, but that shouldn't be such a big deal once I can hold a line. I am 98% sure going to UPS is the way to go, but I just wanted to see if there is anything I am not seeing.
Also, I hear people say that at UPS, you will have more time at home. It seems to me that lines are 14 workdays and 14 off days in a 28 day bid period. At Delta, I usually work 13-14 days a month, which gives me 16-18 days off. Obvioulsy, the credit will be less if working less, but it doesn't necessarily seem that you work less at UPS. Am I missing something? Thanks!
Also, I hear people say that at UPS, you will have more time at home. It seems to me that lines are 14 workdays and 14 off days in a 28 day bid period. At Delta, I usually work 13-14 days a month, which gives me 16-18 days off. Obvioulsy, the credit will be less if working less, but it doesn't necessarily seem that you work less at UPS. Am I missing something? Thanks!
04-19-2022, 08:59 AM
#164
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,016
Originally Posted by ForumMember
First time poster, wanted to get some wisdom from the forum. I am in a similar situation to the OP. I have approximately 3 years at Delta, not quite yet 40, and I have a job offer in an upcoming light class with UPS. I live in the Cincinnati area, so it is about a 1 hour 50 minute drive to the airport. I currently commute to DTW. The commute is ok now that we have positive space for the time being, but it is still a lot of wasted time, and will get much worse when positive space goes away. With UPS, I cannot sit reserve from home, but that shouldn't be such a big deal once I can hold a line. I am 98% sure going to UPS is the way to go, but I just wanted to see if there is anything I am not seeing.
Also, I hear people say that at UPS, you will have more time at home. It seems to me that lines are 14 workdays and 14 off days in a 28 day bid period. At Delta, I usually work 13-14 days a month, which gives me 16-18 days off. Obvioulsy, the credit will be less if working less, but it doesn't necessarily seem that you work less at UPS. Am I missing something? Thanks!
Also, I hear people say that at UPS, you will have more time at home. It seems to me that lines are 14 workdays and 14 off days in a 28 day bid period. At Delta, I usually work 13-14 days a month, which gives me 16-18 days off. Obvioulsy, the credit will be less if working less, but it doesn't necessarily seem that you work less at UPS. Am I missing something? Thanks!
04-19-2022, 09:14 AM
#165
The NeverEnding Story
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,512
Originally Posted by Guppydriver95
ups is a great gig. Just don’t underestimate what a lifetime of back side of the clock flying does to your health. It’s no joke….I’m sure someone will jump on my post and demand I provide proof. There’s no need. NASA has done extensive studies and the science is clear. Humans are programmed to sleep when it’s dark. Turning that circadian rhythm cycle inside out for 20-30 years is bad for your health. Now, before the UPS guys get all butt hurt, this is not a slam on UPS!!! They have kick ass pay and retirement that are to be envied. I’m simply addressing the physiological issues associated with ANF. It’s one of many data points you should consider in your decision making process
When I was a newhire I was told I NEEDED to do three things, in order, to survive flying nights:
1. Sleep
2. Eat (decently)
3. Exercise
I found this is 100000% true and gutting through 4 miles on the treadmill or elliptical is a great way to maintain health and better rest.
Nights ain't for everybody, but they're also not a death sentence either.
04-19-2022, 09:40 AM
#166
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 919
Originally Posted by ForumMember
First time poster, wanted to get some wisdom from the forum. I am in a similar situation to the OP. I have approximately 3 years at Delta, not quite yet 40, and I have a job offer in an upcoming light class with UPS. I live in the Cincinnati area, so it is about a 1 hour 50 minute drive to the airport. I currently commute to DTW. The commute is ok now that we have positive space for the time being, but it is still a lot of wasted time, and will get much worse when positive space goes away. With UPS, I cannot sit reserve from home, but that shouldn't be such a big deal once I can hold a line. I am 98% sure going to UPS is the way to go, but I just wanted to see if there is anything I am not seeing.
Also, I hear people say that at UPS, you will have more time at home. It seems to me that lines are 14 workdays and 14 off days in a 28 day bid period. At Delta, I usually work 13-14 days a month, which gives me 16-18 days off. Obvioulsy, the credit will be less if working less, but it doesn't necessarily seem that you work less at UPS. Am I missing something? Thanks!
Also, I hear people say that at UPS, you will have more time at home. It seems to me that lines are 14 workdays and 14 off days in a 28 day bid period. At Delta, I usually work 13-14 days a month, which gives me 16-18 days off. Obvioulsy, the credit will be less if working less, but it doesn't necessarily seem that you work less at UPS. Am I missing something? Thanks!
Not all lines are 14 off, some are 15 and quite a few are 16, which is what I’ve had every Pay period for years, but that doesn’t tell the tale. We have 13 28 day bid cycles compared to the calendar month bids at delta. If you take total days off over 13 bids vs 12 bids there, total number is pretty close and we may come out ahead depending on what you want to do here. Once you’re senior enough to hold commercial in commercial out trips, you can even more extra time at home.
Youll 100% work less, but it doesn’t always translate to more days home. I typically block less than half compared to my friends at the legacies, but the credit is similar with the rigs and we have 13 pay periods to their 12. I just simply don’t fly a lot even when at work. Someone on the 74 flying around the world would certainly tell a different story. What I’m saying just applies to myself and people who bid similar schedules. There are a lot of different options here when it comes to the type of flying you want to do.
The one constant is you’ll be flying under moonlight vs sunlight half or more of the time, but that’s not a secret.
04-19-2022, 04:39 PM
#167
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 983
Originally Posted by flyguy23
Not all lines are 14 off, some are 15 and quite a few are 16, which is what I’ve had every Pay period for years, but that doesn’t tell the tale. We have 13 28 day bid cycles compared to the calendar month bids at delta. If you take total days off over 13 bids vs 12 bids there, total number is pretty close and we may come out ahead depending on what you want to do here. Once you’re senior enough to hold commercial in commercial out trips, you can even more extra time at home.
Youll 100% work less, but it doesn’t always translate to more days home. I typically block less than half compared to my friends at the legacies, but the credit is similar with the rigs and we have 13 pay periods to their 12. I just simply don’t fly a lot even when at work. Someone on the 74 flying around the world would certainly tell a different story. What I’m saying just applies to myself and people who bid similar schedules. There are a lot of different options here when it comes to the type of flying you want to do.
The one constant is you’ll be flying under moonlight vs sunlight half or more of the time, but that’s not a secret.
Youll 100% work less, but it doesn’t always translate to more days home. I typically block less than half compared to my friends at the legacies, but the credit is similar with the rigs and we have 13 pay periods to their 12. I just simply don’t fly a lot even when at work. Someone on the 74 flying around the world would certainly tell a different story. What I’m saying just applies to myself and people who bid similar schedules. There are a lot of different options here when it comes to the type of flying you want to do.
The one constant is you’ll be flying under moonlight vs sunlight half or more of the time, but that’s not a secret.
04-19-2022, 05:46 PM
#169
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 26
“Just don’t underestimate what a lifetime of back side of the clock flying does to your health.”
There is NO lifetime backside of the clock flying here, if you don’t want that!
I could hold daytime flying, within a year of being on the property.
Don’t just spout stuff because you think that’s what going on with the box haulers.
There is NO lifetime backside of the clock flying here, if you don’t want that!
I could hold daytime flying, within a year of being on the property.
Don’t just spout stuff because you think that’s what going on with the box haulers.
04-19-2022, 06:50 PM
#170
Banned
Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 923
Originally Posted by 2manybogeys
“Just don’t underestimate what a lifetime of back side of the clock flying does to your health.”
There is NO lifetime backside of the clock flying here, if you don’t want that!
I could hold daytime flying, within a year of being on the property.
Don’t just spout stuff because you think that’s what going on with the box haulers.
There is NO lifetime backside of the clock flying here, if you don’t want that!
I could hold daytime flying, within a year of being on the property.
Don’t just spout stuff because you think that’s what going on with the box haulers.
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