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Old 04-06-2022, 09:50 AM
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my neighbor, a retired UPS manager, says we will soon announce 777 orders
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Old 04-06-2022, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Whalehunter View Post
Said this a few months ago and people told me I was wrong. Hmmmmm
I was probably one of the people to doubt what you said. Just doesn’t make a lot of sense in this environment. That said, if the plane is no longer supported, it doesn’t leave any other option. IF true, you were correct.
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Old 04-06-2022, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by C2078 View Post
Unless we order more 76’s (we can’t order anymore 74’s) or something else, we will be net negative in a few years, upwards of 20 airframes net negative. Might give the company the perfect opportunity they always crave to down size or right size if we enter a recession. With amount of retirements in the future movement will most likely not come to a screeching halt, but I can see it slowing down to a trickle if we go net negative in airframes. If the consumer shuts down their wallet, e-commerce will take a hit. Flashing signs everywhere.

Or cut off Amazon!
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Old 04-06-2022, 11:52 AM
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Unless we order more 76’s (we can’t order anymore 74’s) or something else, we will be net negative in a few years, upwards of 20 airframes net negative. Might give the company the perfect opportunity they always crave to down size or right size if we enter a recession. With amount of retirements in the future movement will most likely not come to a screeching halt, but I can see it slowing down to a trickle if we go net negative in airframes. If the consumer shuts down their wallet, e-commerce will take a hit. Flashing signs everywhere.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but EU emissions requirements will force the 76 production line for commercial freighters to shutdown by 2027/28. It will stay open for new tankers for the USAF, but will no longer be an option for UPS.
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Old 04-06-2022, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr View Post
Correct me if I’m wrong, but EU emissions requirements will force the 76 production line for commercial freighters to shutdown by 2027/28. It will stay open for new tankers for the USAF, but will no longer be an option for UPS.
ICAO, not EU emissions standards are driving it..but otherwise that is accurate, they currently will be banned from production come 2028. Boeing has applied for an exemption for the 777F and 767F...we'll see what happens.
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Old 04-06-2022, 03:26 PM
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ICAO has no enforcement authority but I believe Boeing will appeal and extend the current authorization.
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Old 04-06-2022, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy23 View Post
They do if external factors force the company’s hand, which is the rumor. That said, I expect a replacement, just no clue what.
Will these external factors only affect us, or will FedEx & Western Global have to park all of theirs also?
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Old 04-06-2022, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Brett Hull View Post
Will these external factors only affect us, or will FedEx & Western Global have to park all of theirs also?
All pre-existing airframes are grandfathered in. Only new production is banned. It is enforceable if US or other countries we fly in agreed to new ICAO standard.

edit: by new production, I mean of airframes that don’t meet the new standard.
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Old 04-06-2022, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr View Post
All pre-existing airframes are grandfathered in. Only new production is banned. It is enforceable if US or other countries we fly in agreed to new ICAO standard.

edit: by new production, I mean of airframes that don’t meet the new standard.
I’m talking about the MD’s. It was said upthread that “external factors” may cause them to be parked. Wondering if external factors just apply to brown, or if purple will have to park theirs as well?
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Originally Posted by Brett Hull View Post
I’m talking about the MD’s. It was said upthread that “external factors” may cause them to be parked. Wondering if external factors just apply to brown, or if purple will have to park theirs as well?
Sorry, misunderstood. My assumption is that external forces would apply to all MD operators.
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