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Old 04-17-2022 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by whalesurfer
That’s true as well. 74 fleet already uses idle reverse as default.
I think thats all fleets now
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Old 04-17-2022 | 07:53 AM
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Planning came into Indoc last week and said plan is to retire MD’s around 2026 gradually. Still looking at replacements but given the current market options it would most likely be 777.. although there are some logistical issues to figure out like ramp space and ground support. Eventually tearing down the old hanger at SDF since they are building a new one, this will increase ramp space. A330 isn’t preferred because it takes up 747 space with little increase in volume.
Reasonable information. The new 777x variant will have some real data, but the real player, passenger conversion 777-300 will will be a proven airframe by then (Knowing UPS, we will get P&W 777s). I'll wager that the A-300 with P&W, the MD with P&W, and all the other aircraft flying for other carriers with the same class P&W powerplant will fly until the company's accountants decide they are no longer viable.

Paid off airplanes that carry a lot and get decent gas mileage are hard to through away, no matter what the van driver says
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Old 04-17-2022 | 03:01 PM
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People saying you can’t replace the MD with a 76 clearly haven’t seen our domestic loads lately…
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Old 04-17-2022 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Flybynight101
People saying you can’t replace the MD with a 76 clearly haven’t seen our domestic loads lately…
That 76 replacement costs waaaay more than a paid off MD and can’t haul 190k of rubber dog**** out of Hong Kong (or Shenzhen).
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Old 04-17-2022 | 04:06 PM
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That 76 replacement costs waaaay more than a paid off MD and can’t haul 190k of rubber dog**** out of Hong Kong (or Shenzhen).
True but there are some advantages to a common fleet.
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Old 04-17-2022 | 04:21 PM
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I said domestic loads. Obviously an MD can carry more than a 76 but when we’re hauling 40k from CLT, a 76 can easily replace an MD.
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Old 04-17-2022 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Flybynight101
I said domestic loads. Obviously an MD can carry more than a 76 but when we’re hauling 40k from CLT, a 76 can easily replace an MD.
But at 40k a load it doesn’t save enough money to justify acquiring a new airplane. Unless the FAA mandates something that costs greater than $10 million a tail, I don’t see the company looking too hard at the 76 as a replacement.
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Old 04-17-2022 | 07:01 PM
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You’re missing the context of my post. I’m saying that when people say you can’t replace the MD one for one with the 76, you absolutely could with these domestic loads. Money has nothing to do with what I’m getting at. I hear time and time again that the 777 is the only plane that can replace the MD. Well not when we’re only taking 40k to CLT…
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Old 04-18-2022 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Flybynight101
You’re missing the context of my post. I’m saying that when people say you can’t replace the MD one for one with the 76, you absolutely could with these domestic loads. Money has nothing to do with what I’m getting at. I hear time and time again that the 777 is the only plane that can replace the MD. Well not when we’re only taking 40k to CLT…
Except that the MD is doing a lot more than 40k to CLT. The average domestic load for the MD that I have seen has been between 80-100k. I’ve seen as heavy as 120k and as light as zero. The MD also can haul far more volume (cubic feet) than the 76 which can also be useful. I used to think that a 76 and 74 airline made the most sense. However, the 74 production line is gone and the 76 will be in a few years. We don’t have enough “heavy” lift today (which is why the MD is in Asia) and we don’t have enough light twins, which is why we are ordering 19 more 76s. If the company wanted a simplified fleet it would have ordered more -8s (maybe 10-15 more?) and jumped on the factory 76f in a much bigger way earlier. We wouldn’t be upgrading the A300s. Management wasn’t sufficiently proactive and now we have lost the option to simplify the fleet.
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Old 04-18-2022 | 10:49 AM
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You have some valid points but agree to disagree on the volume/weight the domestic MDs are carrying. More often than not, a 76 would be able to take over a domestic MD. Look at RIC. The MD is being replaced by a 76 the second week of May…
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