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Old 04-19-2023, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by C17B74 View Post
True, itís all cyclical no matter what as past performance has proven in all industries. Up and downs will always exist. Airlines hire until they donít. 1st Qtr is normally tough.

1st Qtr = ďDelta posted a net loss of $363 million, or 57 cents per share, citing, in part, a new, four-year pilot contract that includes 34% raises.Ē

2nd QTR should be better or not as bad perhaps. Keep those loads going and thatís the bottom line; otherwise, well who knows. Attaboy if the economy will support it.
The one time charge was planned and does not make the quarter a loss. Profit sharing will be paid on the $217M ish adjusted pre-tax profit that was booked. Also $1.2B in debt paid down with $1.9B in free cash flow. 2Q will be excellent and this year has the chance to match 2019's record profits and profit sharing.
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Old 04-19-2023, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by alohacessna View Post
The one time charge was planned and does not make the quarter a loss. Profit sharing will be paid on the $217M ish adjusted pre-tax profit that was booked. Also $1.2B in debt paid down with $1.9B in free cash flow. 2Q will be excellent and this year has the chance to match 2019's record profits and profit sharing.
Happy to hear that you guys are able to use your profit sharing calculator to cut through the accounting chicanery. However, probably the most explicit difference between pax hauling and box hauling is playing out over at FedEx right now. Even though they booked solid profits (by pax standards) last quarter they have paused hiring, are executing a corporate restructuring, and pilots are talking about bailing for greener pastures as management drags out contract negotiations. The freight business model consistently makes money, but regards shrinking profits the same way the pax haulers regard bankruptcy. This moderates the boom/bust cycle but makes it harder to lock in contractual improvements.
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Old 04-21-2023, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverside View Post
Short overnights, (especially before 117) delays going into hubs, multiple legs, constant plane swaps, walking miles in the terminal, dealing with gate agents, pax, and FA.
All still easier than night sort flying.

Well, IMO
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Old 04-22-2023, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Night_Hawk View Post
All still easier than night sort flying.

Well, IMO
Can’t say which is worse as I have stayed clear from both most of my career, but totally agree I fear the sort as well. Both stink hands down no fun to be had.
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Old 04-22-2023, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Night_Hawk View Post
All still easier than night sort flying.

Well, IMO
Night sort flying getting in Hotel bed by say 6:30am is not bad at all. You end up working 10-11 days a month, most if not all weekends off, fairly easy. It becomes harder when you start playing with the circadian issue, or start arriving Hotel at 8-9am, that is simply brutal.

But agree not for everyone.
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Old 04-23-2023, 06:41 AM
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Night sort flying getting in Hotel bed by say 6:30am is not bad at all. You end up working 10-11 days a month, most if not all weekends off, fairly easy. It becomes harder when you start playing with the circadian issue, or start arriving Hotel at 8-9am, that is simply brutal.

But agree not for everyone.
Yep, 1 in and 1 outs (of the sort each night) with a 2-3hr sleep and commercial tickets on both ends of the pairing arenít bad & easy AF. Delays wiping out the sleep opportunity and putting you into the hotel super late (past 8am) and reschedules to multiple legs are the gotchas. Biggest issue is that there are no ways to catch-up if you get a bad day of sleep.

Iím one of the Ďnot for everyone,í crowd. I hate these -> just canít sleep more than 4-5 hrs once I get to the hotel. So, I take an early evening nap for 2hrs at best, then an hour or 2 at the sort if lucky (plenty of times Iíve laid there tired AF yet wide awakeÖ🤷‍♂️). But by the end of the week Iím pretty wiped out. My days off are then consumed by catching up and getting back into some sort of sleep routine, finally feeling rested a couple of days before I have to go back to work. Result = chronically tired with no relief.

Iíve flown ones that start and end mid week so you get the weekend off (on a long layover). They were excellent for rest/fatigue mitigation but you lose the commercial tickets. I donít think these are common on any fleet unfortunately.

Also note, night sort flying is commuter friendly so the lines donít go junior.

Id take the day pax flying without a second thought. Would hate it but better than being a walking zombie flying night sort.
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