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Old 03-06-2024 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
I would submit that Pay Factors *absolutely* impact trip and line construction.
Nothing personal, but I am wary of such a statement. The reduced reserve days was touted by an A300 SDF based EB member by saying the company would never use the reserve extension because of cost.

Pretty much every ANC MD reservist was extended every time.

I’m not sure how much cost would factor into their decision based off prior experience.
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Old 03-06-2024 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
Nothing personal, but I am wary of such a statement.
Nothing personal taken.

I'm always leery of speaking in absolutes like "never", as every single possibility can't possibly be considered and the one you didn't think of can bite you in the behind. I'm pretty sure nobody had a global pandemic on their bingo card in summer of 2016. And yeah, when we were hundreds of bodies understaffed in 21/22 extensions into days off for both reserves and lineholders were utilized on a daily basis, especially in the international theater. This is one of those things that the pandemic put a bazillion lumen spotlight on and should be addressed in bargaining, as frequently taking people into their days off has a massive negative impact on individual QOL. I don't think that's generally happening much these days as the pendelum has swung back the other way, but it does happen internationally (as it did before the pandemic).

What I can say from experience is in the Hall of Silos, Planning and Day of Ops are very distinct and very partitioned. Cost is absolutely considered on the planning side of things, where the Solver lives and pay factors can have a tangible impact on bid packages. When it comes to Day of Ops, however, the spice will flow and they'll do just about whatever the contract allows (and some that it doesn't) to move metal.

To move the needle substantively on QOL, a rewrite isn't necessary...rather targeted complementary changes in planning (13.A-B), day of ops (13.E), and schedule manipulation (13.D). Pay factors are an additional factor that can play a role in the planning area.
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Old 03-06-2024 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
Nothing personal taken.

I'm always leery of speaking in absolutes like "never", as every single possibility can't possibly be considered and the one you didn't think of can bite you in the behind. I'm pretty sure nobody had a global pandemic on their bingo card in summer of 2016. And yeah, when we were hundreds of bodies understaffed in 21/22 extensions into days off for both reserves and lineholders were utilized on a daily basis, especially in the international theater. This is one of those things that the pandemic put a bazillion lumen spotlight on and should be addressed in bargaining, as frequently taking people into their days off has a massive negative impact on individual QOL. I don't think that's generally happening much these days as the pendelum has swung back the other way, but it does happen internationally (as it did before the pandemic).
For clarification, my comment on reserve extensions for ANC MD pilots was prior to COVID.
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Old 03-06-2024 | 09:38 AM
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lots of items that cost the company money can also be parlayed into QOL gains.

I am just 1 person - many others have lots of good ideas. fill out the surveys and share them
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Old 03-06-2024 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
People talk QOL QOL QOL, then start throwing out 35%+ DOS numbers...
That is low? No?
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Old 03-06-2024 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Cocoloco
That is low? No?
Did any of the 'big four' who ratified a contract in 2023 achieve 35% increases in hourly rates and retirement at date of signing?
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Old 03-06-2024 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
I haven't heard of any solution that would greatly imrpove QOL on any airplane, in the sort or even on the B&G. Everyone wants it, but no one can come up with an aswer.

I'm talking about schedules, not hotel points, travel bank, etc.
Change the Trip rig to 3.5 to 1. For starters. Are u happy now that I came up with an answer that everyone on the EB knows already. But have passed on this since 1998. Would give most everyone on property the same pay for a day less away from home.

Another one incoming. EVERY hour of credit over 75 hours, which is our guarantee be paid at 150%. STOP the FORCED overtime.
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Old 03-06-2024 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
Did any of the 'big four' who ratified a contract in 2023 achieve 35% increases in hourly rates and retirement at date of signing?
Not sure and dont care. So what's your point? I fly night freight with batteries that burn 2000 degrees. 3 leg night sort flying. Company just paid the teamsters 35%, etc. etc. You better up your standards.
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Old 03-06-2024 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Cocoloco
Not sure and dont care. So what's your point? I fly night freight with batteries that burn 2000 degrees. 3 leg night sort flying. Company just paid the teamsters 35%, etc. etc. You better up your standards.
swa was 29% on DOS and 50% over 5 years. 35% is high but not unreasonable.
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Old 03-06-2024 | 01:25 PM
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Question. Why would a 3.5/1 rig improve quality of life? In all seriousness, will it change the domestic week on/off? Sun-Sat, call it 144 TAFB= 41.2hrs. They would still be under the 86 hour pay period cap.

It would help int'l, but not domestic.

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