UPS Typical Schedule
10-28-2021, 09:21 AM
#164
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Originally Posted by FlexNinja
Is it possible for a local pilot on say, the 757 to get out and backs for an entire 28 day period? Or is that sporadic?
There are a number of turn lines on SDF 757 each bid period, for both AM departures ("morning turns") and some for PM departures ("afternoon turns").
Turn lines typically have 12 turns per each 28 day pay period (sometimes more, sometimes less). Afternoon turns tend to go more senior than morning turns, but I'm not sure how senior morning turn lines generally go on the 757.
I lived on morning turns for almost 4 years, living in SDF you can have a pretty good QOL with them but many folks strongly dislike them.
10-28-2021, 10:13 AM
#165
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
At UPS, we call "out and backs" turns.
There are a number of turn lines on SDF 757 each bid period, for both AM departures ("morning turns") and some for PM departures ("afternoon turns").
Turn lines typically have 12 turns per each 28 day pay period (sometimes more, sometimes less). Afternoon turns tend to go more senior than morning turns, but I'm not sure how senior morning turn lines generally go on the 757.
I lived on morning turns for almost 4 years, living in SDF you can have a pretty good QOL with them but many folks strongly dislike them.
There are a number of turn lines on SDF 757 each bid period, for both AM departures ("morning turns") and some for PM departures ("afternoon turns").
Turn lines typically have 12 turns per each 28 day pay period (sometimes more, sometimes less). Afternoon turns tend to go more senior than morning turns, but I'm not sure how senior morning turn lines generally go on the 757.
I lived on morning turns for almost 4 years, living in SDF you can have a pretty good QOL with them but many folks strongly dislike them.
Ive also seen reference to "conflict bidding" and im fairly certain I know what that means, but just to confirm.... this would be where you pick up two lines that have overlapping trips and planning then drops those trips cause they touch each other (or some variation of that). When do they drop trips or take things off your schedule as it pertains to "touching", either training, other trips, vacation or otherwise?
10-28-2021, 03:51 PM
#166
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
At UPS, we call "out and backs" turns.
There are a number of turn lines on SDF 757 each bid period, for both AM departures ("morning turns") and some for PM departures ("afternoon turns").
Turn lines typically have 12 turns per each 28 day pay period (sometimes more, sometimes less). Afternoon turns tend to go more senior than morning turns, but I'm not sure how senior morning turn lines generally go on the 757.
I lived on morning turns for almost 4 years, living in SDF you can have a pretty good QOL with them but many folks strongly dislike them.
There are a number of turn lines on SDF 757 each bid period, for both AM departures ("morning turns") and some for PM departures ("afternoon turns").
Turn lines typically have 12 turns per each 28 day pay period (sometimes more, sometimes less). Afternoon turns tend to go more senior than morning turns, but I'm not sure how senior morning turn lines generally go on the 757.
I lived on morning turns for almost 4 years, living in SDF you can have a pretty good QOL with them but many folks strongly dislike them.
10-28-2021, 07:20 PM
#167
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Originally Posted by FlexNinja
Yea, makes sense. I figured if they existed, they would be fairly senior. Thanks for the quick reply!
Ive also seen reference to "conflict bidding" and im fairly certain I know what that means, but just to confirm.... this would be where you pick up two lines that have overlapping trips and planning then drops those trips cause they touch each other (or some variation of that). When do they drop trips or take things off your schedule as it pertains to "touching", either training, other trips, vacation or otherwise?
Ive also seen reference to "conflict bidding" and im fairly certain I know what that means, but just to confirm.... this would be where you pick up two lines that have overlapping trips and planning then drops those trips cause they touch each other (or some variation of that). When do they drop trips or take things off your schedule as it pertains to "touching", either training, other trips, vacation or otherwise?
On another note, I hated turns but then again I don’t live in domicile.
And yes, the 74 guys seem to get lots of late arrival pay but I haven’t had late arrival pay in 6 years. YMMV.
10-28-2021, 07:21 PM
#168
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Conflict bidding is either an overlap of 2 trips from adjoining bid periods or a dropping a training event on top of an awarded trip. They drop the trip in the future bid period for the overlap example and the entire trip for the training example. They can back fill you on legal days of the dropped trips footprint or have you rejoin your trip if it flows through domicile, the details are too complex to go into here. It is truly an art to conflict to maximum potential. Easier in ANC as they don’t have many small trips to back fill you with. All other domiciles usually have 1-3 day trips they can backfill you with. In my experience, I usually get at least a day or two paid off.
10-28-2021, 07:26 PM
#169
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Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr
We have FOs touching $500k international…
For those following: our guarantee is 975 hrs/year. I think 1200 is probably average for a whale or MD international FO, which factors in premiums and late arrivals.
Last edited by FTv3; 10-28-2021 at 07:32 PM. Reason: Added info
10-29-2021, 02:47 AM
#170
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Originally Posted by FTv3
Dude, to do that you have to have almost 2300 credit hours if you are at $220/hr. I’ll give you upper 3’s / lower 4’s for those working the system. Upper 4’s, you’re gunna have to produce the math cuz I’m calling major BS! Not like guys are sitting reserve not getting called picking up time and a half on their days off.
For those following: our guarantee is 975 hrs/year. I think 1200 is probably average for a whale or MD international FO, which factors in premiums and late arrivals.
For those following: our guarantee is 975 hrs/year. I think 1200 is probably average for a whale or MD international FO, which factors in premiums and late arrivals.
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