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03-20-2016 | 07:46 PM
#71
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From: Serving the chicken and taking the first break.
Back to the subject of the thread. I've been here almost 9 years, and am just starting to reverse commute from ANC.
As far as new hires commuting to ANC, I don't see that happening in the near future. ANC is currently the Senior FO base.
Unfortunately I don't see any new hires in the future until the contract is signed.
As far as new hires commuting to ANC, I don't see that happening in the near future. ANC is currently the Senior FO base.
Unfortunately I don't see any new hires in the future until the contract is signed.
03-24-2016 | 02:15 PM
#72
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From: MD-11
Well Said ! (I'm a 26 yr MD11 Capt.) 26 yrs ago this was a GREAT choice for me. For someone to pass up a job with a Legacy Carrier NOW for night freight your out if your mind.
As for as a MGMT job- that is a dispized position that one would quickly regret. Choose wisely those seeking to enter the POOL.
As for as a MGMT job- that is a dispized position that one would quickly regret. Choose wisely those seeking to enter the POOL.
03-24-2016 | 05:39 PM
#73
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From: Guppy Gear Slinger
nickname for pilots hired by UPS who are not on the union seniority list.
UPS hires them to apply pressure on the union pilots. They are given factious job titles which seem to fool only them. Their purpose is to fly without contract protection and be used as leverage is driving down labor costs. They are captains in name only and if they every tried to make a decision the company did not like they would be punished. In fact stories abound about these so called Captains asking their union First Officers to stand up to the company because they can't themselves.
UPS gets away with it because on average the union pilot brings enough experience to the cockpit to operate safely.
UPS hires them to apply pressure on the union pilots. They are given factious job titles which seem to fool only them. Their purpose is to fly without contract protection and be used as leverage is driving down labor costs. They are captains in name only and if they every tried to make a decision the company did not like they would be punished. In fact stories abound about these so called Captains asking their union First Officers to stand up to the company because they can't themselves.
UPS gets away with it because on average the union pilot brings enough experience to the cockpit to operate safely.
03-25-2016 | 02:27 AM
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and there is the rub, it is allowed per the teamster contract offered to the initial group of pilots at UPS circa 1988. This small group of pilots numbered less then 50 ( total guess on why part here) and it was take it or leave it. I imagine that back then those pilots might have believed UPS much like most new hires today. The IPA was formed after dissatisfaction set in over the next couple of years. The IPA inherited this crazy system and we have been unable to get ride of it.
At its conception I suppose the beginning IPX group actually thought they would be mgt pilots and not replacement pilots as they have become.
UPS has somewhat less then 200 of them to "mgt" a small airline of 2,500.
At its conception I suppose the beginning IPX group actually thought they would be mgt pilots and not replacement pilots as they have become.
UPS has somewhat less then 200 of them to "mgt" a small airline of 2,500.
03-25-2016 | 03:28 AM
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Just wondering.
03-25-2016 | 07:36 AM
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From my conversations with knowledgeable folks at the IPA, the current managers don't have any management authority. They can't hire and fire or make major decisions. Following the Teamsters strike in '97, the management group flew struck cargo, beginning the "NURP or Replacement" moniker. This label appeared to be solidified during the furlough when UPS hired several folks into management while furloughing line pilots. Having said all of that, some managers have more authority than others, but the VFR Direct to the left seat new hire manager captain would fall into the NURP category from what I understand.
03-25-2016 | 07:47 AM
#77
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From: Retired from APC.
Well Said ! (I'm a 26 yr MD11 Capt.) 26 yrs ago this was a GREAT choice for me. For someone to pass up a job with a Legacy Carrier NOW for night freight your out if your mind.
As for as a MGMT job- that is a dispized position that one would quickly regret. Choose wisely those seeking to enter the POOL.
As for as a MGMT job- that is a dispized position that one would quickly regret. Choose wisely those seeking to enter the POOL.
Last edited by FTFF; 03-25-2016 at 08:07 AM. Reason: Not finished writing.
03-25-2016 | 02:46 PM
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" At its conception I suppose the beginning IPX group actually thought the original non union pilots would be actual mgt pilots and not replacement pilots as they have become."
You are correct in that the IPX group was the original start of the UPS airline
did I clear it up any?
03-26-2016 | 03:30 AM
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From: Retired
Airbum,
No problems. I just wanted to make sure that the record was straight. And interestingly enough, from what I remember, when I flew for UPS, back in '89, everyone disliked the original IPX guys, probably as much as you guys dislike the NURPS. Might have been a case of penis envy.
No problems. I just wanted to make sure that the record was straight. And interestingly enough, from what I remember, when I flew for UPS, back in '89, everyone disliked the original IPX guys, probably as much as you guys dislike the NURPS. Might have been a case of penis envy.
03-26-2016 | 08:39 AM
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From: On Food Stamps
Airbum,
No problems. I just wanted to make sure that the record was straight. And interestingly enough, from what I remember, when I flew for UPS, back in '89, everyone disliked the original IPX guys, probably as much as you guys dislike the NURPS. Might have been a case of penis envy.
No problems. I just wanted to make sure that the record was straight. And interestingly enough, from what I remember, when I flew for UPS, back in '89, everyone disliked the original IPX guys, probably as much as you guys dislike the NURPS. Might have been a case of penis envy.
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