December - 2016 Vacancy Bid
01-03-2017, 08:01 AM
#54
Where's my Mai Tai?
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: fins to the left, fins to the right
Posts: 1,731
Originally Posted by Ray Kinsella
12 years to upgrade sucks and there's no denying that. At least we upgrade to widebody capt pay. I'm not sure how long it takes at other places but 12 years sounds about right.
IMO, times will go back to where they have been if UPS has their normal bids in the future. I think the 12 year upgrade was only available because of so many vacancies. Run the usual 15-20 and see what happens.
01-03-2017, 08:46 AM
#55
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: 767 captain
Posts: 2,696
Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
That's 12 year upgrade with a huge bid for UPS.
IMO, times will go back to where they have been if UPS has their normal bids in the future.
IMO, times will go back to where they have been if UPS has their normal bids in the future.
01-03-2017, 09:09 AM
#56
The NeverEnding Story
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,512
According to the seniority list ST put out this morning, the current average age of UPS line pilots is 52. Tthe 2016 seniority list plug will hit the historical junior CA seniority level (~65%) by the end of 2026 and hit 50% seniority in very early 2029, based ONLY on Age 65 mandatory retirements.
Early retirements, medical outs, and terminations will shorten that time...as will any growth to the pilot group beyond a nominal 2550ish size.
Yes, there are downside risks too...but hopefully past performance is not indicative of future results.
Early retirements, medical outs, and terminations will shorten that time...as will any growth to the pilot group beyond a nominal 2550ish size.
Yes, there are downside risks too...but hopefully past performance is not indicative of future results.
01-03-2017, 01:00 PM
#60
Tri-tanic operator
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: Doggie
Posts: 2,382
Originally Posted by BoilerUP
Junior CA award sits at 75% seniority.
Just comparing it to what I've experienced at previous jobs.Obviously a lot of FOs bypass the upgrade. I've heard most of the reasons.
Always the optimist. Hard to say what "normal" is. When was the last time that we had normal? It's been interrupted by some pretty major one time events like the grounding of the DC8 and 727 and age 65. Those things have worked themselves out now, we are approaching the peak retirement years, and we have metal on order. I had a friend show me the math where more than half of us leave within 10 years. I'll go under ten on future upgrades.
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