Working at Delta Private Jets
#31
You want Delta to make a profit right? Let's say DPJ gets rid of their big iron because you won that grievance, now those customers that have all the money get mad because they want to fly on a Gulfstream and not a Lear so they go to Netjets. That's a revenue stream Delta lost all because you just had to stick it to someone and file a grievance. I would understand if it was one of the regionals violating this part of your scope, but the smart thing to do would be to allow DPJ to fly the corporate big iron because it keeps Delta paying passengers happy to be able to fly on whatever they want and because they are paying big money to Delta in the process.
#32
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I fully understand defending your scope clause...if DALPA had that mindset two decades ago the industry would look a hell of a lot different.
But I'd submit that a handful of long-range bizjets aren't any kind of threat to the careers of DALPA pilots, unlike a fleet CR7/9s or E-Jets are...the way they operate and the demographics of passengers couldn't be further apart.
But I'd submit that a handful of long-range bizjets aren't any kind of threat to the careers of DALPA pilots, unlike a fleet CR7/9s or E-Jets are...the way they operate and the demographics of passengers couldn't be further apart.
#34
I fully understand defending your scope clause...if DALPA had that mindset two decades ago the industry would look a hell of a lot different.
But I'd submit that a handful of long-range bizjets aren't any kind of threat to the careers of DALPA pilots, unlike a fleet CR7/9s or E-Jets are...the way they operate and the demographics of passengers couldn't be further apart.
But I'd submit that a handful of long-range bizjets aren't any kind of threat to the careers of DALPA pilots, unlike a fleet CR7/9s or E-Jets are...the way they operate and the demographics of passengers couldn't be further apart.
Because that $6000 an hour pax is not going on the WB in 1st class, bringing down the yields on the whole trip, which puts pressure on wages, which makes guys make bad decisions like opening the door on scope 'just a little bit', and in the meantime the TSA comes up with another ineffective, intrusive, absurd screening protocol, which further drives away traffic, but if Mr $6000 an hour pax had to put up with that nonsense, he'd call his golf buddy Congressman whats-his-name and say, get rid of this #$%^&, not just for me but for everybody.
But if an airline is going to fly bizjets, then by all means pilots on that airline's seniority list better be on the flight deck.
#35
Do you know why so many high-yield business travelers have shunned airline travel for much more costly business aircraft?
Airline travel is not convenient.
Airline travel is a hassle.
Airline travel is not reliable.
Airline travel is a waste of their time.
Airline travel is not convenient.
When you or your company can afford transportation solutions that are convenient, not a hassle, reliable, and don't waste time, you use them.
Of course that's not to say airlines don't provide a valuable service to an exceptionally large portion of the population...but saying bizav is "the gravest threat to airline careers" is just as laughable as saying Trader Joes is the gravest threat to Safeway.
#37
You do realize that Delta gets to depreciate their aircraft for tax purposes much like a corporation gets to depreciate its aircraft...right? The difference is airlines have a 7 year depreciation schedule and business aircraft are on a 5 year depreciation schedule.
Or that just a couple months before his "taxpayer subsidizes for private jets" speech Obama himself signed an economic stimulus bill into law that provides 100% "bonus" depreciation in tax year 2010 for, among other things, aircraft purchased and put into service this year...because bonus depreciation has historically proven to generate capital spending by businesses which helps the economy. Meaning Obama was for "taxpayer subsidizes for private jets" before he was against them.
Facts sure are stubborn things...
#38
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Talking about the airfare, the bill the HVC get to deduct for business...100% If the use is for something other than business (vacation) than no. I get the depreciation.
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#40
I ask not to be argumentative, but because I truly am curious...I can't imagine Delta Air Lines management and BoD would allow ALPA to dictate business in a completely separate segment of industry without a stout fight.
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