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Old 10-26-2011, 09:11 AM   #21  
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Could any DPJ guys comment on DPJ aircraft exceeding a MGTOW of 65,000 lbs? I'm not familiar with business jets, but it came to Delta pilots attention that a few jets exceeding that weight were being operated by DPJ's, & that is a violation of our Scope. A grievance was filed, & we were told we won. But that is all we were told.

Is DPJ's still operating any jets that exceed a MGTOW of 65,000 lbs?
You want Delta to make a profit right? Let's say DPJ gets rid of their big iron because you won that grievance, now those customers that have all the money get mad because they want to fly on a Gulfstream and not a Lear so they go to Netjets. That's a revenue stream Delta lost all because you just had to stick it to someone and file a grievance. I would understand if it was one of the regionals violating this part of your scope, but the smart thing to do would be to allow DPJ to fly the corporate big iron because it keeps Delta paying passengers happy to be able to fly on whatever they want and because they are paying big money to Delta in the process.
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Anyone currently working there or just recently left that can give any specifics to QOL, pay etc?
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It's a violation because our contract does not allow it. Any aircraft configured to 50 seats or less may NOT exceed a MGTOW of 65,000 lbs. DPJ's is owned by Delta, & someone can buy a ticket from Delta & fly on both Delta mainline and DPJ on the same locator. Those business jets are capable of WB distances. If Delta wants to help those customers get somewhere a WB can go, then they need to put them on a wide body.
Some of the people that I fly WILL NOT get on the airlines, even when flying between city pairs with nonstop airline service. If they have to charter for whatever reason, they don't have a boarding pass, and they don't arrange the trip through an airline's website or through an airline's reservation agent in Bangalore India. If you give these people the slightest hassle you'll never see them again, not even in the first class cabin on your jetliner. To start a scope fight with Delta Air Elite, Seagrave, Pegassus, or whoever won't accomplish anything. It's a totally different world that has nothing to do with airlines at all.
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Its taken me since this post was made until now to stop laughing hard enough to type...

I'm pretty sure anybody who can afford $6000/hr+ for a large cabin bizjet charter to travel where they want, when they want, isn't going to be terribly interested in dealing with a TSA checkpoint to ride a Delta widebody somewhere.

Not to mention a 2 hour layover in ATL!
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Bay Bum is right. Stay away from DPJ until the wizzards at Delta figure out just what a crook thay have as the CEO. I worked for these people and can verify the 20 to as many as 27 days on the road. They have no regard for their employees.
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Delta pilots filing a grievance might be a way to force some better work rules/pay on Delta private jets. If you force them to put Delta pilots in those planes, they will be under the Delta contract, and that will put an end to the 20+ days straight crap.
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In all fairness, the people from Delta Air Elite were nice people, well most of them, 1 or 2 have a screw loose. They were invaded by Segrave and turned into the scum bag operation that Segrave is famous for. DAE was blind sided when they bought Segrave Aviation and JS came in as CEO, they were all standing around saying ***??

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Its taken me since this post was made until now to stop laughing hard enough to type...

I'm pretty sure anybody who can afford $6000/hr+ for a large cabin bizjet charter to travel where they want, when they want, isn't going to be terribly interested in dealing with a TSA checkpoint to ride a Delta widebody somewhere.
That's fine. I don't care. But, if we let one thing slide then it opens the door for other things. No matter how small it may be.
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You want Delta to make a profit right? Let's say DPJ gets rid of their big iron because you won that grievance, now those customers that have all the money get mad because they want to fly on a Gulfstream and not a Lear so they go to Netjets. That's a revenue stream Delta lost all because you just had to stick it to someone and file a grievance. I would understand if it was one of the regionals violating this part of your scope, but the smart thing to do would be to allow DPJ to fly the corporate big iron because it keeps Delta paying passengers happy to be able to fly on whatever they want and because they are paying big money to Delta in the process.
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Some of the people that I fly WILL NOT get on the airlines, even when flying between city pairs with nonstop airline service. If they have to charter for whatever reason, they don't have a boarding pass, and they don't arrange the trip through an airline's website or through an airline's reservation agent in Bangalore India. If you give these people the slightest hassle you'll never see them again, not even in the first class cabin on your jetliner. To start a scope fight with Delta Air Elite, Seagrave, Pegassus, or whoever won't accomplish anything. It's a totally different world that has nothing to do with airlines at all.
Like I said before, patch up the small hole before it becomes uncontrollable. Delta can continue with all the big biz jets they want, but they'll be flown by pilots on the Delta seniority list.
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That's fine. I don't care. But, if we let one thing slide then it opens the door for other things. No matter how small it may be.
I fully understand defending your scope clause...if DALPA had that mindset two decades ago the industry would look a hell of a lot different.

But I'd submit that a handful of long-range bizjets aren't any kind of threat to the careers of DALPA pilots, unlike a fleet CR7/9s or E-Jets are...the way they operate and the demographics of passengers couldn't be further apart.
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