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Old 08-02-2016, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by payingdues View Post
lol you must be right if you have no facts or figures to back that up. What is adequate instruction? Paying 140k at a 141 school? To get the same job at the same airlines and continue to operate under the same level of safety. What a dumb statement. Get your ratings and pay as little as possible for it. The PTS is the same for everyone.
They provide almost no ground instruction. They teach to the PTS only, they don't provide adequate instruction, they pay their instructors pennies on the dollar. ATP is a set-up for failure. They pressure the instructors to sign off students at minimums even if they aren't ready. I know more than a few people who failed multiple checkrides because of a poor instructor and pressure to sign them off. Sure, if you are a really good student and can learn it all yourself without any help at all from an instructor, ATP can serve a purpose. If you have an option to do it cheaper and faster somewhere else, do it. AMEL time isn't what it was in 2010 when no one was really hiring.

I know of many places that give superior instruction for an equal cost where you will actually learn how to become a pilot and not just enough to pass a checkride.
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Old 08-02-2016, 10:59 AM
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I wouldn't believe those numbers..

If I had a kid this is what I would do.. Get a Cessna 150 for around 15 grand. Buy the plane with a fresh annual. Find a good independent instructor that will teach accelerated ratings. Call your local designated examiners and ask for recommendations on a good instructor. You want someone who is not going to go to the airlines tomorrow.

Fly every single day for the next six months.. Earn your private, intrument and get all your cross country commercial requirements done in your little 30 dollar per hour aircraft. Knock off the rest of the commercial in cheap retract.

Get your CFI's knocked out.. Sell your little Cessna within the annual time for close to what you paid for it..

250 hours on your little bird at about 30 dollars an hour, $7500.
60 hours of instruction at 40 per hour, 2400. Total cost.. About 12,000 after retract rental. At the most 2k extra for something breaking on the Cessna.. Be sure the seas a has a vor with glideslope and it running.

Just my two cents
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Old 08-02-2016, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by MKUltra View Post
I wouldn't believe those numbers..

If I had a kid this is what I would do.. Get a Cessna 150 for around 15 grand. Buy the plane with a fresh annual. Find a good independent instructor that will teach accelerated ratings. Call your local designated examiners and ask for recommendations on a good instructor. You want someone who is not going to go to the airlines tomorrow.

Fly every single day for the next six months.. Earn your private, intrument and get all your cross country commercial requirements done in your little 30 dollar per hour aircraft. Knock off the rest of the commercial in cheap retract.

Get your CFI's knocked out.. Sell your little Cessna within the annual time for close to what you paid for it..

250 hours on your little bird at about 30 dollars an hour, $7500.
60 hours of instruction at 40 per hour, 2400. Total cost.. About 12,000 after retract rental. At the most 2k extra for something breaking on the Cessna.. Be sure the seas a has a vor with glideslope and it running.

Just my two cents
This is close to what I did, and it worked out. Instead of buying it immediately, I got my private in a rented 172, then bought a Piper Arrow. It burned 6.5 gal/hr if you pulled it back in cruise, plus I could used it for my instrument, commercial, and CFI.

I had it about a year, flew ~400 hours on it, and sold it for exactly what I paid for it. I did have to pay a tie down fee, plus other small maintenance that came up.

In the end, I did save some money, but I was lucky. I sold it with the same brakes and same tires that I bought it with, and took very good care of it, but there are all sorts of unexpected costs. The hobbs meter stopped working, as did the tach. And, the power pack for the strobes stopped working. Those, plus the oil changes, cost me money.

In the end, it was a gamble. It could have cost me thousands of dollars more if something had gone wrong. I was lucky, and I figure it saved me about $15,000.

I would be happy to tell you more about it, since I did it.
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Old 08-02-2016, 11:22 AM
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This is close to what I did, and it worked out. Instead of buying it immediately, I got my private in a rented 172, then bought a Piper Arrow. It burned 6.5 gal/hr if you pulled it back in cruise, plus I could used it for my instrument, commercial, and CFI.

I had it about a year, flew ~400 hours on it, and sold it for exactly what I paid for it. I did have to pay a tie down fee, plus other small maintenance that came up.

In the end, I did save some money, but I was lucky. I sold it with the same brakes and same tires that I bought it with, and took very good care of it, but there are all sorts of unexpected costs. The hobbs meter stopped working, as did the tach. And, the power pack for the strobes stopped working. Those, plus the oil changes, cost me money.

In the end, it was a gamble. It could have cost me thousands of dollars more if something had gone wrong. I was lucky, and I figure it saved me about $15,000.

I would be happy to tell you more about it, since I did it.
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Old 08-02-2016, 04:07 PM
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Will they still be hiring and upgrading into the dash or will all new classes be the 145? I'm considering making the move but I want whatever plane I can upgrade into the quickest (I have over 1000 121) and would base me in MDT. Really don't want to make a lateral to be a 145 FO in PHL.
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Old 08-02-2016, 04:16 PM
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Will they still be hiring and upgrading into the dash or will all new classes be the 145? I'm considering making the move but I want whatever plane I can upgrade into the quickest (I have over 1000 121) and would base me in MDT. Really don't want to make a lateral to be a 145 FO in PHL.
I believe you could finish FO training in the dash and then be a MDT-based CA, starting training right after FO SOE on the dash.
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Old 08-02-2016, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd View Post
I believe you could finish FO training in the dash and then be a MDT-based CA, starting training right after FO SOE on the dash.


That's exactly what I'll be doing. Hopefully start SOE next week.


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Old 08-02-2016, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd View Post
I believe you could finish FO training in the dash and then be a MDT-based CA, starting training right after FO SOE on the dash.
Will they still be running dash classes since they are being parked?
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Old 08-02-2016, 05:14 PM
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Will they still be running dash classes since they are being parked?


Still running 2 per month.


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Old 08-02-2016, 05:15 PM
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Still running 2 per month.


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But for how much longer? Has the company announced plans on when the dash will be gone?
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