AlaskaBound

Well scooch on over to 9E. I'm sure no one would miss you here.

Nantonaku

If you are the kind of tool that is indicative of the Compass pilots then anyone that picks any airline but Compass is probably making a good

echelon

Is nobody going to bring up the fact that these developments are really nothing impressive at all? $36/hr is a step in the right direction but it only really helps the company attract pilots. Besides, with RAH offering $40 and CommutAir offering $38 PLUS a huge bonus... This is too little too late. And besides, people who have been here longer than a year get practically nothing out of this that they shouldn't have already had - GoJet/TSA/Envoy/CommuteAir/etcetc have had paid hotel rooms for months/years now. Why is nobody else bringing this up?

conquestdz

404 likes to stir the pot and antagonize from time to time. It creates good discussions but does occasionally generate some negativity towards him specifically. Don't let one short tempered post towards him cloud your view of us as a whole. He likes the attention anyway.

Gjn290

Except that they are. It didn't take long from the time the company started a bonus before the union got it axed and put into pay rates. The pay may not be as high as republic, but Bedford has already came out and said that he can't afford those rates. Let's not forget this agreement also gives the company the ability to raise pay again without having to negotiate it. You say that people who have been here for over a year don't really benefit from it, I think that's wrong. It keeps people coming in below you, thus elevating your seniority. Oh, I'm almost off of first year pay, FWIW.

The airlines you mentioned that already give commuter hotels are a very small percentage of regional airlines. I can't say for certain how much hotels and crashpads cost in those airlines domiciles, but I can speak for LAX and they are very expensive.

This is not too little too late. RAH was too little too late and Mesa will probably be next if they don't hurry and do something.

flyguy94

I'm hoping there's something in the language protecting CA pay rates. If they can just raise FO's pay rates indefinitely soon we will be paid close to the same.

echelon

Pay rates for essentially ONE year of longevity. So effectively, they may as well have just kept the bonus because the rest of us get nothing! What do 2nd+ year FO's get besides a 1.25% raise and a less-than-COLA raise later if the company decides to increase first year pay again (who says they will?)? What do captains get? Except for seniority as you put it... But the bonus did that too.

I thought the reason we were all against this bonus from the beginning was that it only benefited new hires... and yet from my perspective it seems we haven't changed anything. The hotels, granted, are a plus. But again, none of this is anywhere near "industry leading" as RL put it. I think it's embarrassing that people are celebrating this when the other two companies that are owned by our parent, that everyone considers "bottom-feeders," have already had this for a long time.

echelon

+1 .......

404yxl

He is that way, but most Compass pilots are pretty good guys and gals. I am just stating what I see. When Alaskabound came to Compass he made the right decision, as did I. However, I don't think Compass is the sweet deal it was for all of us in years past. If I had to pick now, I would be leaning to Endeavor for their higher attrition rate and pay.

A lot of Alaska's and others' frustrations goes back to when they thought our debate over a average daily trip guarantee or 4 hours for a non-working calendar day was that it was a 4 hour min-day when it was not. For a while they could not grasp the concept that it didn't apply if you had a duty period touch your "30 hour layover" that you would not receive the 4 hours of add pay. Just ask the guys that had to do those nice Fairbanks layovers love it. With the ADTG, it would have paid a minimum of 14:15 with as little as two legs in 3 days. With the one we voted in, it can pay a minimum of 8:00 hours in 3 days.

Don't be surprised to see someone respond to that last paragraph flailing their arms.

I don't like to stir the pot, I just am stating it as I see it. If Alaskabound and others think the good decision to come to Compass somehow still applies to pilots today, they are mistaken or are intentionally clouding potentional new hires with incorrect info in order to secure bodies behind them for security at Compass. Those new hires deserve correct information just as when Alaskabound and others made their decision to jump over in 2013-2014.

That is why I think the Endeavor option is a good one to look at. All payscales went up $20K/year.

I thought all the payscales would have gone up with the agreement, especially with the leverage the pilot group had.

echelon

Plus, the hotels only benefit line-holding commuters. People on reserve aren't any better off having to pay for only 15 nights in base instead of 19, and people that live in base... well obviously don't need it.

Nothing in this agreement benefits EVERY PILOT at the company in a meaningful way, which in my opinion is a serious flaw.