DenverPilot8

The thing is man that I get that every person will be in a different situation and will have different goals and reasons to come here. But the attitude that we should just plan better and deal with poverty wages and our own hotel costs (IOE) is plain insanity. I'm so tired of this attitude. It's great that you were able to make your car payments during training man. Thumbs up to you. But the fact that you are defending $500 paychecks for 3 months is crazy. "just plan better"?? seriously? Is it just me or is this the very reason why the pay and wages are so low to begin with. As long as there are people who not only accept it but are proud to get through it nothing will change. We need more people to come here. You should be advocating change for the better not telling people why its acceptable. Jesus.

TeamRamRod

Dude get it into your mother fukking skull, read my post. I NEVER said it can't be better, that it was ideal, or that I was happy with it. But the damn company and Union isn't going to change our training pay in the middle of a contract because a few keyboard warriors are complaining on here about it. All I'm trying to do is offset some of your guys' comments which are undoubtedly deterring people away from coming here because of 3 months of low pay. Whether it's buying groceries during training instead of going to TGIF every day, not taking down a 6 pack of beer every night, there are ways to cut costs. That's all I was saying. You have to alter your lifestyle a little for 3 months to get thru it, but you'll do just that, get thru it.

Why do you want me to do to advocate change? Go March a protest, Ferguson style, on HQ and demand we change training pay yesterday? The "pilots like you caused this problem" crap is getting extremely old. You wanna look at the problem? The pilots that vote on these contracts are so far out of initial training that they don't bat an eyelash at the fact that training pay is subpar, because they are NEVER going to have to live thru it again. And I'll guarantee if they offered $35/hr first year pay instead of changing how much we get paid during training, everyone would be scrambling to circle yes. It's 9 months vs 3 months.

FirstClass

You're confused, the entire last 3-4 pages are your own doing. Then for whatever reason you are sh*tting in various airplane seats and your lunch cooler.

DenverPilot8

I'm just going off of what you are saying. Why don't you get it through YOUR skull that comments like this is why people are getting all over you about it. We all have to deal with the same crap show. This kind of attitude perpetuates itself. It turns into "you only have to deal with it for a year" and so on. I never said you need to March down to HQ "Ferguson" style. I know change doesn't come automatically. But instead of jumping all over people for grieving what you yourself agree is terrible, why don't you instead welcome your new co-workers and commiserate with them.

TeamRamRod

Read my post on the last page. I genuinely said, every TSA employee that was here before the growth has welcomed new hires, CQFO or FO, with open arms. They are just as much a part of this company as we are. But the morale here before was pretty darn good, with very little complaining. All of a sudden, 100 guys come thru the doors in the training center and you've shockingly taken a pay cut from your previous 4th year FO pay and everyone is livid. In the grand scheme of things, is one $50 hotel room that big of an expense for you? Probably not. The concept of having to pay for a hotel while you're still "in training" is the biggest problem everyone has with the whole thing. All I was trying to get at was, it could be CPZ of a year or so ago and you could be paying for 2-3 straight months of hotels. Again, it's not ideal, but it's a heck of a lot better than it could be. (and it's 'average' across the industry)

I'm all for welcoming everyone here and doing everything possible to improve some things with the new contract coming up. However, some of the guys on here that have a great CQFO opportunity in front of them can't find a single good thing to say about TSA. "We have to put in a pay request every now and then, we MIGHT have to pay for a hotel before IOE, I don't get paid a million dollars in training"

I've seen a VERY select few guys on here that have expressed the slightest bit of a positive attitude towards being a CQFO here. So I'm not going to sit here and join in on the pity party with everyone complaining about the company that signs my paycheck. I'll do my part to improve things in contract negotiations, not on a forum. The only reason I even come on here is to provide help to guys that are looking for info on TSA or people that have legit questions, not complaints.

ReelyBad

Can you guys take your bickering private? Anyway, back to the CQFO program.... are the guys getting more CA flying or FO flying?

etflies

Mostly Captain, a little bit of FO for now. Not sure how it'll shape up as the fleet grows and more get online. I did hear a rumor that no CQFOs will be going to Denver, at least when it initially opens. Again, it's just a rumor but has anyone else heard anything similar?

IlliniPilot99

I second this...exactly what is and what I've heard

DEN will go senior initially (it makes sense) then go junior as it grows.

TeamRamRod

Correct. I didn't count all the way down to the bottom but there's right at 30-35 standing bids in for Denver on the FO side before it gets to CQFOs. Staffing 5-6 FOs per airplane you're looking at having 6 airplanes in Denver before a CQFO is awarded a transfer there. Early word is the base is opening with 3 or 4 airplanes, so probably sometime around the 2nd or 3rd month some CQFOs may start getting out there.

etflies

Ah that makes sense if it's just a matter of seniority. The way it was explained to me it sounded like some CQFOs would've been able to hold it but would not have been awarded the transfer for some unknown reason he se my confusion. Thanks for clarifying.