Can't wait until we fly together on a 4 day. Keep an eye on that flight kit of yours.

 

So you were earning less than the amount of your bills during training and don't think that's wrong? I've never met a regional FO that is driving a $50k BMW or has 3 ex-wives with several kids. Most are single and in their 20's and can't afford to go farther into the red for 3 months. (Let alone figure out how to pay for hotels during that time.) They should at least be getting full guarantee after their checkride if they are expected to pay for hotels during OE.

Use of a false analogy doesn't help your argument. Others did complain about Compass not providing a hotel during training but were not as vocal about it. One thing you need to realize is that all Waterskiers have every right to voice their opinions the moment they became a Waterskier. Just because they have been here less time than you doesn't mean their opinion isn't valid.

Its a pretty serious allegation to say someone is intentionally not following company SOPs as that is considered the same as violating FARs. You should be making a call to Pro Stands (at the very least) and preventing it from happening in the future. PM me and I'll give you the number if you need it. I know the CQFOs from my class are flying the SOPs because that is what we are paid and expected to do. So I'm not sure who you've been flying with that you believe violated SOP. My question is: do you know the difference between technique and SOP?

 

You work where I work?

 

Hard to imagine such shenanigans at a Hulas owned operation...

 

****, you think that's bad? At the place I ESCAPED tsa for, they don't even pretend to do your payroll, I have to do the whole thing myself. Hours, per-diem, etc.

 

The thing is man that I get that every person will be in a different situation and will have different goals and reasons to come here. But the attitude that we should just plan better and deal with poverty wages and our own hotel costs (IOE) is plain insanity. I'm so tired of this attitude. It's great that you were able to make your car payments during training man. Thumbs up to you. But the fact that you are defending $500 paychecks for 3 months is crazy. "just plan better"?? seriously? Is it just me or is this the very reason why the pay and wages are so low to begin with. As long as there are people who not only accept it but are proud to get through it nothing will change. We need more people to come here. You should be advocating change for the better not telling people why its acceptable. Jesus.

 

Dude get it into your mother fukking skull, read my post. I NEVER said it can't be better, that it was ideal, or that I was happy with it. But the damn company and Union isn't going to change our training pay in the middle of a contract because a few keyboard warriors are complaining on here about it. All I'm trying to do is offset some of your guys' comments which are undoubtedly deterring people away from coming here because of 3 months of low pay. Whether it's buying groceries during training instead of going to TGIF every day, not taking down a 6 pack of beer every night, there are ways to cut costs. That's all I was saying. You have to alter your lifestyle a little for 3 months to get thru it, but you'll do just that, get thru it.

Why do you want me to do to advocate change? Go March a protest, Ferguson style, on HQ and demand we change training pay yesterday? The "pilots like you caused this problem" crap is getting extremely old. You wanna look at the problem? The pilots that vote on these contracts are so far out of initial training that they don't bat an eyelash at the fact that training pay is subpar, because they are NEVER going to have to live thru it again. And I'll guarantee if they offered $35/hr first year pay instead of changing how much we get paid during training, everyone would be scrambling to circle yes. It's 9 months vs 3 months.

 

You're confused, the entire last 3-4 pages are your own doing. Then for whatever reason you are sh*tting in various airplane seats and your lunch cooler.

 

I'm just going off of what you are saying. Why don't you get it through YOUR skull that comments like this is why people are getting all over you about it. We all have to deal with the same crap show. This kind of attitude perpetuates itself. It turns into "you only have to deal with it for a year" and so on. I never said you need to March down to HQ "Ferguson" style. I know change doesn't come automatically. But instead of jumping all over people for grieving what you yourself agree is terrible, why don't you instead welcome your new co-workers and commiserate with them.

 

Read my post on the last page. I genuinely said, every TSA employee that was here before the growth has welcomed new hires, CQFO or FO, with open arms. They are just as much a part of this company as we are. But the morale here before was pretty darn good, with very little complaining. All of a sudden, 100 guys come thru the doors in the training center and you've shockingly taken a pay cut from your previous 4th year FO pay and everyone is livid. In the grand scheme of things, is one $50 hotel room that big of an expense for you? Probably not. The concept of having to pay for a hotel while you're still "in training" is the biggest problem everyone has with the whole thing. All I was trying to get at was, it could be CPZ of a year or so ago and you could be paying for 2-3 straight months of hotels. Again, it's not ideal, but it's a heck of a lot better than it could be. (and it's 'average' across the industry)

I'm all for welcoming everyone here and doing everything possible to improve some things with the new contract coming up. However, some of the guys on here that have a great CQFO opportunity in front of them can't find a single good thing to say about TSA. "We have to put in a pay request every now and then, we MIGHT have to pay for a hotel before IOE, I don't get paid a million dollars in training"

I've seen a VERY select few guys on here that have expressed the slightest bit of a positive attitude towards being a CQFO here. So I'm not going to sit here and join in on the pity party with everyone complaining about the company that signs my paycheck. I'll do my part to improve things in contract negotiations, not on a forum. The only reason I even come on here is to provide help to guys that are looking for info on TSA or people that have legit questions, not complaints.