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Old 04-02-2015, 01:38 PM
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$10,000 signing bonus just posted.
Not going to be enough considering what's out there.
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Does anyone know the number of CQFO's hired? It's been a while since a seniority list came out. I imagine with the amount hired, the ones still in the pool, and with the lowered upgrade minimums they probably will be able to staff all the flying they have committed to.
not a hard number but last I heard it was around 120
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Not going to be enough considering what's out there.
What's out there?
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What's out there?
$20,000 annual bonus's.
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$20,000 annual bonus's.
Oh, you mean at Endeavor where there is a 7 year upgrade and they are shrinking? Please, tell me more about this great deal.
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Oh, you mean at Endeavor where there is a 7 year upgrade and they are shrinking? Please, tell me more about this great deal.
Meh, might be good for someone like me with 135 PIC time, but no 121 time who wants to get into a major someday.
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Old 04-02-2015, 02:36 PM
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Oh, you mean at Endeavor where there is a 7 year upgrade and they are shrinking? Please, tell me more about this great deal.
It doesn't matter anymore, PIC time is going to be a thing of the past for moving on to the majors. If you go to a regional without the resources to hire new talent then you most likely won't have a job at said regional within two years. The landscape is changing, how much deeper are their pockets at TSA to attract more talent and keep their planes flying? A one time 10K bonus isn't going to cut it.
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It doesn't matter anymore, PIC time is going to be a thing of the past for moving on to the majors.
I have to admit you are probably correct. A year from now things are going to be pretty interesting everywhere.

EDIT: To be honest, PIC time will probably only be important to hiring pilots away from wholly owned carriers, its how the regional labor cost will stay low. IE- why hire a junior fo away when you can hire a senior captain away that costs more money to the regional.
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku View Post
It doesn't matter anymore, PIC time is going to be a thing of the past for moving on to the majors. If you go to a regional without the resources to hire new talent then you most likely won't have a job at said regional within two years. The landscape is changing, how much deeper are their pockets at TSA to attract more talent and keep their planes flying? A one time 10K bonus isn't going to cut it.
I think PIC is a discriminator just like anything else. There are thousands of pilots with PIC time with applications in. It's still going to be important. Will people get hired without it? Absolutely. All things equal, will someone with PIC get hired over no PIC? Absolutely.

If you go to TSA, you'll be off reserve faster than you will be at Endeavor...which may equate to years. Everyone know that reserve is one of the worst things you can do at an airline. If you just want the retention bonus and live in base, then maybe Endeavor is for you.
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I think the one card our company had was the CQFO program. I think for a lot of FOs sitting at stagnant regionals it made a lot of sense and offered a pretty unique opportunity to be captain right away. Unfortunately, I don't think the program was well communicated in a lot of ways and a lot of people were VERY mis-informed on what it entailed. I know so many people who didn't think it was real. But I was surprised to hear we were slowing it down since we need every body we can get right now. $10k at least puts us on the same level or more as other regionals offering bonuses. I hope it works.
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