What the C-Series order means?
04-30-2016, 01:26 PM
#61
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Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg
Why won't WO lift decrease? The WO airlines tend to be the more expensive regional. As long as other regionals can staff there is really no need for a wholly owned. Especially since mainline carriers tend to own the planes the non-WOs operate.
Furthermore, WO's operate in the same market as non-WO carriers. The only thing a WO offers the mainline carrier is the ability to whipsaw other regionals or tightly control their regional product. Tell me a case where being on an end of a whipsaw or tighter control of a product benefits the pilot.
Furthermore, WO's operate in the same market as non-WO carriers. The only thing a WO offers the mainline carrier is the ability to whipsaw other regionals or tightly control their regional product. Tell me a case where being on an end of a whipsaw or tighter control of a product benefits the pilot.
04-30-2016, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
With flows guaranteeing the top-paid regional CAs move on, and the remaining pilots on the list (at least in the case of PSA) are almost overwhelmingly 3-4 or less in seniority. I think the ultimate plan is for the WOs to do the majority of their mainline partner's lift and there is the added bonus of AAG being able to keep profits "in house". Low cost plus cheap profits equal win win.
Now AAG decided it was not the way to go. PSA/PDT/ENY should be doing 90-95% of the feed, but they are too late for that.
Clearly they want to take the senior CAs to AA because is cheaper, that's why PSA flow will take a bit longer, until PDT/ENY can get about the same amount of longevity on the new pilots.
04-30-2016, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
Envoy used to do 90% of the AA lift, before AMR decided to diversify the feed.
Now AAG decided it was not the way to go. PSA/PDT/ENY should be doing 90-95% of the feed, but they are too late for that.
Clearly they want to take the senior CAs to AA because is cheaper, that's why PSA flow will take a bit longer, until PDT/ENY can get about the same amount of longevity on the new pilots.
Now AAG decided it was not the way to go. PSA/PDT/ENY should be doing 90-95% of the feed, but they are too late for that.
Clearly they want to take the senior CAs to AA because is cheaper, that's why PSA flow will take a bit longer, until PDT/ENY can get about the same amount of longevity on the new pilots.
04-30-2016, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanP
Unfortunately for them, the top 300 Envoy pilots will not let go of their deathgrip on this place and will never leave until dead, fired or retired for some strange reason. As bad as they make it and as many bases as they close, they still won't leave to AA. Ever. Even when some of the (244) had the chance to go at 2nd/3rd year pay or whatever it was a few years ago. They still refused. Now many of them are 50 year olds commuting for a regional.
04-30-2016, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanP
Unfortunately for them, the top 300 Envoy pilots will not let go of their deathgrip on this place and will never leave until dead, fired or retired for some strange reason. As bad as they make it and as many bases as they close, they still won't leave to AA. Ever. Even when some of the (244) had the chance to go at 2nd/3rd year pay or whatever it was a few years ago. They still refused. Now many of them are 50 year olds commuting for a regional.
04-30-2016, 05:20 PM
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And now per usual, the usual idiots have converted a thread not even remotely related to Envoy to the same discussion found on every other thread. Don't you guys have Eagle Lounge too? Do you guys do anything useful with your free time?
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04-30-2016, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by iFlyRC
In 5 to 10 years, none of us will be able to recognize the indusrty, going to get interesting! If Mesa can always provide a quick upgrade, and short times on reserve, that may keep them going along side the WO's, otherwise the WO's with bottomless pocket books from big brother will be the only survivors eventually.
04-30-2016, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumyum
Screw 5 years. We need to shut this down pronto. Only way we protect..Why can't all regional pilots go on strike and throw a major effing curve ball to ALPA & Mismanagement? Isn't it worth a try? Corrupt mothafukas
Asking the regionals to do this would be equivalent to asking China, Russia, Iran, and USA to have a drum circle and sing Kum By Yah... Yeh right...
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