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Old 04-30-2016, 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate View Post
Define "regional" feed? This is a all a shell game of shuffling capacity, maximizing ASM's, and streamlining schedules. This is the one thing Delta is really good at, and they will continue to do so. This whole wet dream that somehow these airframes are going to kill the regional model is laughable. Just ask Mr Zimmerman.


Won't kill us but will totally shrink us. And yes. I'll be at a major. Haven't failed yet.
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United wants to hire 7000 pilots over the next 10 years? American is retiring 90% of their pilots in the next 10 years? And there is everyone else too!
There will be opportunity for everyone to move on to a better place than a regional.
More around 50-60%. Most of the big 3 will be in that range. 80-90% in the next 15+ years.
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More around 50-60%. Most of the big 3 will be in that range. 80-90% in the next 15+ years.
Still good numbers for us!
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate View Post
Define "regional" feed? This is a all a shell game of shuffling capacity, maximizing ASM's, and streamlining schedules. This is the one thing Delta is really good at, and they will continue to do so. This whole wet dream that somehow these airframes are going to kill the regional model is laughable.
You are free to believe what you want, but don't be surprised when, in three years, as the C series comes online, that the number of regionals providing lift decreases. Best guess is, the non WOs will not be getting their ASAs renewed. Time will tell.
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You are free to believe what you want, but don't be surprised when, in three years, as the C series comes online, that the number of regionals providing lift decreases. Best guess is, the non WOs will not be getting their ASAs renewed. Time will tell.
In 5 to 10 years, none of us will be able to recognize the indusrty, going to get interesting! If Mesa can always provide a quick upgrade, and short times on reserve, that may keep them going along side the WO's, otherwise the WO's with bottomless pocket books from big brother will be the only survivors eventually.
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Don't worry, JB22 has been riding jumpseats and asking for letters of recommendation. He will be at a major before you know it.
Exactly right. Picking up as much open time as I can to get my time.
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob View Post
You are free to believe what you want, but don't be surprised when, in three years, as the C series comes online, that the number of regionals providing lift decreases. Best guess is, the non WOs will not be getting their ASAs renewed. Time will tell.
Why won't WO lift decrease? The WO airlines tend to be the more expensive regional. As long as other regionals can staff there is really no need for a wholly owned. Especially since mainline carriers tend to own the planes the non-WOs operate.

Furthermore, WO's operate in the same market as non-WO carriers. The only thing a WO offers the mainline carrier is the ability to whipsaw other regionals or tightly control their regional product. Tell me a case where being on an end of a whipsaw or tighter control of a product benefits the pilot.
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Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg View Post
Why won't WO lift decrease? The WO airlines tend to be the more expensive regional. As long as other regionals can staff there is really no need for a wholly owned. Especially since mainline carriers tend to own the planes the non-WOs operate.

Furthermore, WO's operate in the same market as non-WO carriers. The only thing a WO offers the mainline carrier is the ability to whipsaw other regionals or tightly control their regional product. Tell me a case where being on an end of a whipsaw or tighter control of a product benefits the pilot.
WO'd regionals offer the benefit of in-house profits. AAG has to pay Mesa, Republic, etc cost + profit for all their flying. Doug has specifically stated that he likes being able to "keep" the profit of a wholly-owned since it's still technically all a part of AAG.
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Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg View Post
Why won't WO lift decrease? The WO airlines tend to be the more expensive regional. As long as other regionals can staff there is really no need for a wholly owned. Especially since mainline carriers tend to own the planes the non-WOs operate.

Furthermore, WO's operate in the same market as non-WO carriers. The only thing a WO offers the mainline carrier is the ability to whipsaw other regionals or tightly control their regional product. Tell me a case where being on an end of a whipsaw or tighter control of a product benefits the pilot.
With flows guaranteeing the top-paid regional CAs move on, and the remaining pilots on the list (at least in the case of PSA) are almost overwhelmingly 3-4 or less in seniority. I think the ultimate plan is for the WOs to do the majority of their mainline partner's lift and there is the added bonus of AAG being able to keep profits "in house". Low cost plus cheap profits equal win win.
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