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Old 05-18-2018 | 04:14 PM
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Do you guys have a screenshot of the preposed TA? Also when do you vote on it?
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Old 05-18-2018 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJ All Day
Do you guys have a screenshot of the preposed TA? Also when do you vote on it?
It’s like 200+ pages long.
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Old 05-18-2018 | 06:16 PM
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http://arwcontract.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/ARW-New-TA-2018-pilot-release.pdf
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Old 05-18-2018 | 11:20 PM
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What am I missing that has everyone a “no” vote? This TA along with our current contract have us getting paid more than just about every other regional with mostly better rules if you can live in base.(commuting with JM, and extensions sucks) We make more than the AA wholly owneds, Skywest, tsa, go jet, express jet, silver, seaborn, Penn air, commut air, and Mesa.

Yes we all want more $$ but with the exception of endeavor no one makes more than us flying 50 seaters (not including our new hire bonus) in the lower 48. I simply want my time and to be gone. Yea bonus’ suck compared to higher wage, but if anything they incentivize getting time and getting out after 3 years if possible. Which is very likely with all the retirements approaching.
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Old 05-19-2018 | 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by tonsterboy5
What am I missing that has everyone a “no” vote? .
The will to be paid what you're worth.
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Old 05-19-2018 | 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchtrim
The will to be paid what you're worth.


Which is? In all seriousness, what are you worth? Is it a dollar figure? Is it a list of stuff? What dollar amount or set of work rules would qualify as “what you’re worth”? Also, when you answer the previous question, why did you pick that vs $1 more or one additional work rule?
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Old 05-19-2018 | 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Pilotdude3407
Which is? In all seriousness, what are you worth? Is it a dollar figure? Is it a list of stuff? What dollar amount or set of work rules would qualify as “what you’re worth”? Also, when you answer the previous question, why did you pick that vs $1 more or one additional work rule?
I've filled out the appropriate polls and surveys that touch on all this. This TA falls short of what I, and many others wanted. In fact the mec says as much, yet still approved it for a vote.
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Old 05-19-2018 | 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchtrim
I've filled out the appropriate polls and surveys that touch on all this. This TA falls short of what I, and many others wanted. In fact the mec says as much, yet still approved it for a vote.


The MEC has basically said that they have hit a wall. For whatever reason ATW isn’t paying more. Maybe they don’t have it or maybe they don’t want to. In their opinion continuing to bargain for however much longer would not produce anywhere close to what the pilot group wants. So take this money or not. That seems to be the bottom line. And before you say we will just strike, you might want to look at how that is going for Frontier.

Also, as it always seem to go like this, pilots are mad at whatever MEC’s do. They are mad when the mec don’t let pilots decide and they are mad when the mec do let the pilots decide.
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Old 05-19-2018 | 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Pilotdude3407
So they are dishonest and lying to you, but somehow you would blindly believe the changes document they would send to you?

How about you do your due diligence and read it for yourself instead of criticizing them for being too lazy to create a document explaining every last word change because you are in fact too lazy to read it for yourself.

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The fact that the union response is "there are too many changes to list every one" is ridiculous. Do they not even know what they signed? How is there not a comprehensive list of every single change? It's only 200 pages, not that hard.

The company even comes out with detailed and highlighted "summary of changes" for revisions which happen far more often than this.
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Old 05-19-2018 | 04:15 AM
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Then I guess they'll just keep having ta's that fail, a less than happy pilot group, and trouble staffing.

Everyone acting like it's 2008 and the economy just tanked.
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