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itsmytime 04-10-2020 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 3028830)
Where are Expressjet and CommutAir going to get these planes? United only owns some many E175ís. I wouldnít put too much into prior investments or ownership stake at this point. The company is in survival mode and nothing is off of the table.

this is why I wonder why mainline pilots are so excited about the 50 seaters going away? Those 50 seaters feed your hubs and as you said, there are no more 70 seaters, so where is the lift going to come from? Goes directly against his other statement of picking up market share the competitors leave behind.

yeah, I know Scott could get more 70 seaters by ordering a mainline narrow body, but heís made no mention of that. Lots of talk about retiring fleets, but nothing about adding.

Itsajob 04-10-2020 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by itsmytime (Post 3028844)
this is why I wonder why mainline pilots are so excited about the 50 seaters going away? Those 50 seaters feed your hubs and as you said, there are no more 70 seaters, so where is the lift going to come from? Goes directly against his other statement of picking up market share the competitors leave behind.

yeah, I know Scott could get more 70 seaters by ordering a mainline narrow body, but heís made no mention of that. Lots of talk about retiring fleets, but nothing about adding.

Legacy pilots have slowly given away the store for years and they will celebrate any reduction in outsourced flying. Replacing that lift is what the company and U-ALPA are working on. ALPA is pushing for something like the E190/5 E2 or bringing 76 seat jets in house and negotiating a rate (both would be considered a new NB fleet type and unlock rjís). We donít know where all of this is going, but we see it as a step in the right direction.

Cessna182TypeR 04-10-2020 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 3028893)
Legacy pilots have slowly given away the store for years and they will celebrate any reduction in outsourced flying. Replacing that lift is what the company and U-ALPA are working on. ALPA is pushing for something like the E190/5 E2 or bringing 76 seat jets in house and negotiating a rate (both would be considered a new NB fleet type and unlock rjís). We donít know where all of this is going, but we see it as a step in the right direction.

Approximately how many seniority numbers below you there?

itsmytime 04-10-2020 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 3028893)
Legacy pilots have slowly given away the store for years and they will celebrate any reduction in outsourced flying. Replacing that lift is what the company and U-ALPA are working on. ALPA is pushing for something like the E190/5 E2 or bringing 76 seat jets in house and negotiating a rate (both would be considered a new NB fleet type and unlock rjís). We donít know where all of this is going, but we see it as a step in the right direction.

you former regional, or military?

Itsajob 04-10-2020 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by itsmytime (Post 3028922)
you former regional, or military?

freight scum

Excargodog 04-10-2020 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by itsmytime (Post 3028844)
yeah, I know Scott could get more 70 seaters by ordering a mainline narrow body, but heís made no mention of that. Lots of talk about retiring fleets, but nothing about adding.

The LAST thing the legacies want is to order ANOTHER aircraft type. The multiple types they have now have made any potential furloughs damn near impossible. The airframes that wonít be doing much flying for awhile are largely populated by their senior guys. To furlough a junior guy they are going to generate about 3-4 different training events, culminating in new type ratings for the senior guys because they donít HAVE 727s any more. Thatís going to cost them a person-year of salaries, just for the multiple training events, during which those people contribute zero productivity. And thatís going to generate displacements as well. Then, when flying resumes, they are going to have to reverse the process.

Compare that with what it would cost SWA or F9 or NK to furlough, with a single fleet type and a common type rating. This has the potential to give the LCC/ULCC airlines a real advantage over the legacies - at least in the short term.

amcnd 04-10-2020 12:01 PM

How many ďEAS/ProrateĒ city's does ZW serve?. OO serves 29 for UA. The key is UA may eventually say they donít have any ď50 seatersĒ but thats not true. EAS/Prorate carry the UA code but are operated by other airlines.. cape air, boutique, SkyWest, or wven foreign codeshares, ect... 50 seat RJís will be around for awhile. But not in the mass they are today...

idlethrust 04-10-2020 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 3029029)
How many ďEAS/ProrateĒ city's does ZW serve?. OO serves 29 for UA. The key is UA may eventually say they donít have any ď50 seatersĒ but thats not true. EAS/Prorate carry the UA code but are operated by other airlines.. cape air, boutique, SkyWest, or wven foreign codeshares, ect... 50 seat RJís will be around for awhile. But not in the mass they are today...

We were taxing out of Ord one day awhile back for 10L DD. Counted over 20 AC waiting to take off. Out of those well over half were rjís.
Less rjs is a good thing .Clogging up the ramp, Airways etc. It will sting for awhile but in the end itís more mainline jobs for all of us down the road.Unless youíre a regional lifer, if thatís the case things are very bleak at the moment.

WhiskyWhisky 04-10-2020 12:56 PM

A220's coming to United
 
Prior to this Virus, United clearly indicated they would not pursue the A220 market. My inside source say management has drawn up a new business plan and the A220 fits that new post-virus world perfectly (Hence Kirby's comment). 109-seat markets make sense now, less frequency into the existing smaller markets previously served 4 to 6 times a day. Those who have offers through the Aviate program, buckle your seat belts. Don't let the doomsdayer bring you down, there is a light at the end of this tunnel.

GA2Jets 04-10-2020 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by WhiskyWhisky (Post 3029071)
Prior to this Virus, United clearly indicated they would not pursue the A220 market. My inside source say management has drawn up a new business plan and the A220 fits that new post-virus world perfectly (Hence Kirby's comment). 109-seat markets make sense now, less frequency into the existing smaller markets previously served 4 to 6 times a day. Those who have offers through the Aviate program, buckle your seat belts. Don't let the doomsdayer bring you down, there is a light at the end of this tunnel.

What would the Aviate program have to do with this? Wouldn't they just staff those with current UA pilots?


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