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dremaldent 04-10-2020 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by GA2Jets (Post 3029079)
What would the Aviate program have to do with this? Wouldn't they just staff those with current UA pilots?

I think what he's getting at is more 220 pilot slots at Mainline would result in increased hiring, which is indeed correct, and would be very good in the long term for anyone already at a regional airline. Short-term no clue. depends on a lot of stuff.

JohnnyBekkestad 04-10-2020 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by dremaldent (Post 3029082)
I think what he's getting at is more 220 pilot slots at Mainline would result in increased hiring, which is indeed correct, and would be very good in the long term for anyone already at a regional airline. Short-term no clue. depends on a lot of stuff.

He is retiring a ton of aircrafts internally, if he brings in the 220 he will staff it will current UA employees and if he kills a bunch of regionals as well we will be flooded with 5000+ unemployed pilots. Not looking very good...

WhiskyWhisky 04-10-2020 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by JohnnyBekkestad (Post 3029087)
He is retiring a ton of aircrafts internally, if he brings in the 220 he will staff it will current UA employees and if he kills a bunch of regionals as well we will be flooded with 5000+ unemployed pilots. Not looking very good...

You are all clearly missing the "Breeze Airways" of United that about to be born.

JohnnyBekkestad 04-10-2020 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by WhiskyWhisky (Post 3029093)
You are all clearly missing the "Breeze Airways" of United that about to be born.

Even if i did, haven't given Breeze any thought yet as it is not established. If UA were to start it he they would probably staff it with UA furloughs. I just see how the math can be done any way so that us at any regional can hope for a legacy job any time soon.
All legacies are in danger of furlough or even BK. They have all said they will come out smaller than before so the retirement section is covered and when everything turns around the furloughs will staff the "new" flying. There are about 20000 regional pilots right now and regardless who you work for, non of us are safe.

StuckOnReserve 04-10-2020 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by WhiskyWhisky (Post 3029093)
You are all clearly missing the "Breeze Airways" of United that about to be born.


They already tried that years ago. It was called “TED”.


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WhiskyWhisky 04-10-2020 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by JohnnyBekkestad (Post 3029099)
Even if i did, haven't given Breeze any thought yet as it is not established. If UA were to start it he they would probably staff it with UA furloughs. I just see how the math can be done any way so that us at any regional can hope for a legacy job any time soon.
All legacies are in danger of furlough or even BK. They have all said they will come out smaller than before so the retirement section is covered and when everything turns around the furloughs will staff the "new" flying. There are about 20000 regional pilots right now and regardless who you work for, non of us are safe.

You both underestimate the resiliency of the United States of America. Most people here think & post in terms of 3 to 7 months into the future. A good CEO & leader has to see 1 to 2 years into the future and start planning for it now. There's not much I can do if you can't see past 3 months from now, but that's OK, I'm used to it, as I said, most people on here can't see beyond that.

RAHkid94 04-10-2020 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by WhiskyWhisky (Post 3029142)
You both underestimate the resiliency of the United States of America. Most people here think & post in terms of 3 to 7 months into the future. A good CEO & leader has to see 1 to 2 years into the future and start planning for it now. There's not much I can do if you can't see past 3 months from now, but that's OK, I'm used to it, as I said, most people on here can't see beyond that.

I don’t have the savings to be thinking 1-2 years ahead in this case, unless my landlord decides to think beyond when rent is due next month.

itsmytime 04-10-2020 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by WhiskyWhisky (Post 3029071)
Prior to this Virus, United clearly indicated they would not pursue the A220 market. My inside source say management has drawn up a new business plan and the A220 fits that new post-virus world perfectly (Hence Kirby's comment). 109-seat markets make sense now, less frequency into the existing smaller markets previously served 4 to 6 times a day. Those who have offers through the Aviate program, buckle your seat belts. Don't let the doomsdayer bring you down, there is a light at the end of this tunnel.

my understanding is a220 orders are backlogged. That buys everyone a lot of time if the retirement is based on a220’s showing up at mainline.

Itsajob 04-10-2020 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by StuckOnReserve (Post 3029139)
They already tried that years ago. It was called “TED”.


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United had Ted, Delta had Song, USair tried Metro Jet. They all failed.

WhiskyWhisky 04-10-2020 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 3029255)
United had Ted, Delta had Song, USair tried Metro Jet. They all failed.

That was before an invisible thing called Covid19.

"So how will the Airbus A220 affect United Airlines? Well, to cut a long story short, it will allow the airline to become more profitable through lower fuel consumption, whilst providing full load factors on low-demand routes." hmmm.


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