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06-10-2021, 10:08 AM
#91
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2018
Posts: 55
Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat
basically yes. You must be released by noon the day before your primary vacation starts, and can go back into RSV by noon the day after.
It’s all in the contract:
“ Primary Vacation
A pilot awarded a primary vacation will be entitled to drop any trip (in its entirety) that is scheduled to operate on a day that falls within his awarded vacation period (i.e., Sunday through Saturday). A primary vacation will entitle a reserve pilot to drop one (1) reserve day immediately prior to his vacation start date and one (1) reserve day immediately after his vacation period ends (if reserve duty is scheduled on either or both of those days). For example, if a reserve pilot has a scheduled reserve day on the Saturday prior to his vacation, and a reserve day scheduled on the Sunday following his vacation, those two reserve days will be dropped.”
06-10-2021, 10:39 AM
#92
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 524
Originally Posted by SuperFlier
If you are on reserve and it’s your primary vacation, you will get the whole reserve day removed the day before and the day after. For non-primary, you will be released by noon the day before your vacation begins.
It’s all in the contract:
“ Primary Vacation
A pilot awarded a primary vacation will be entitled to drop any trip (in its entirety) that is scheduled to operate on a day that falls within his awarded vacation period (i.e., Sunday through Saturday). A primary vacation will entitle a reserve pilot to drop one (1) reserve day immediately prior to his vacation start date and one (1) reserve day immediately after his vacation period ends (if reserve duty is scheduled on either or both of those days). For example, if a reserve pilot has a scheduled reserve day on the Saturday prior to his vacation, and a reserve day scheduled on the Sunday following his vacation, those two reserve days will be dropped.”
It’s all in the contract:
“ Primary Vacation
A pilot awarded a primary vacation will be entitled to drop any trip (in its entirety) that is scheduled to operate on a day that falls within his awarded vacation period (i.e., Sunday through Saturday). A primary vacation will entitle a reserve pilot to drop one (1) reserve day immediately prior to his vacation start date and one (1) reserve day immediately after his vacation period ends (if reserve duty is scheduled on either or both of those days). For example, if a reserve pilot has a scheduled reserve day on the Saturday prior to his vacation, and a reserve day scheduled on the Sunday following his vacation, those two reserve days will be dropped.”
06-10-2021, 12:41 PM
#93
Banned
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,291
Originally Posted by SuperFlier
If you are on reserve and it’s your primary vacation, you will get the whole reserve day removed the day before and the day after. For non-primary, you will be released by noon the day before your vacation begins.
It’s all in the contract:
“ Primary Vacation
A pilot awarded a primary vacation will be entitled to drop any trip (in its entirety) that is scheduled to operate on a day that falls within his awarded vacation period (i.e., Sunday through Saturday). A primary vacation will entitle a reserve pilot to drop one (1) reserve day immediately prior to his vacation start date and one (1) reserve day immediately after his vacation period ends (if reserve duty is scheduled on either or both of those days). For example, if a reserve pilot has a scheduled reserve day on the Saturday prior to his vacation, and a reserve day scheduled on the Sunday following his vacation, those two reserve days will be dropped.”
It’s all in the contract:
“ Primary Vacation
A pilot awarded a primary vacation will be entitled to drop any trip (in its entirety) that is scheduled to operate on a day that falls within his awarded vacation period (i.e., Sunday through Saturday). A primary vacation will entitle a reserve pilot to drop one (1) reserve day immediately prior to his vacation start date and one (1) reserve day immediately after his vacation period ends (if reserve duty is scheduled on either or both of those days). For example, if a reserve pilot has a scheduled reserve day on the Saturday prior to his vacation, and a reserve day scheduled on the Sunday following his vacation, those two reserve days will be dropped.”
06-10-2021, 12:46 PM
#94
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 524
Originally Posted by idlethrust
If you’re a line holder and the trip drops due to trip touching, are you paid for that trip in addition to your vacation?or it drops out without pay?
06-10-2021, 03:29 PM
#95
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 1,948
Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat
drops without pay. You can go below MMG in a vacation month, but anything you pick up will be at 150% unless it’s CTL.
“We’d lose trip touching!”
“it’s cool that you can string together 35 days off in a row but I can’t afford two months of 30 hours pay AND to do anything fun with that time off”
I’d rather get a better schedule every month than a schedule I can’t afford once a year.
06-10-2021, 05:22 PM
#96
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2018
Posts: 241
Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
That fact drove me nuts talking to some of the senior pilots about PBS.
“We’d lose trip touching!”
“it’s cool that you can string together 35 days off in a row but I can’t afford two months of 30 hours pay AND to do anything fun with that time off”
I’d rather get a better schedule every month than a schedule I can’t afford once a year.
“We’d lose trip touching!”
“it’s cool that you can string together 35 days off in a row but I can’t afford two months of 30 hours pay AND to do anything fun with that time off”
I’d rather get a better schedule every month than a schedule I can’t afford once a year.
06-10-2021, 08:36 PM
#97
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 1,948
Originally Posted by flightlessbirds
NO!!! If you want to work, pick the same trip up for 150%.
The one bonus month/year you get if you’ve been here under 5 years does not beat out actually having some schedule flexibility 12 months/year.
Even at my best seniority here my more junior friends at other airlines were absolutely smoking my schedules every month, both in credit and days off, although our other work rules and aggressive pickups made my paycheck noticeably bigger.
On a personal basis, line bidding works out outrageously great if you’ve been here a long time and can drop vacation every other month to get the days off you want and pretty crummy if you haven’t and/or are junior in your seat.
on a collective basis line bidding results in much more inefficient scheduling, which requires more pilots. There are definitely perks and it’s good enough that I don’t see a need to try to push PBS, but I don’t understand the absolute rabid hatred anytime it gets discussed.
06-11-2021, 08:28 AM
#98
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 35
Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat
drops without pay. You can go below MMG in a vacation month, but anything you pick up will be at 150% unless it’s CTL.
06-11-2021, 08:35 AM
#99
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 35
Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
That fact drove me nuts talking to some of the senior pilots about PBS.
“We’d lose trip touching!”
“it’s cool that you can string together 35 days off in a row but I can’t afford two months of 30 hours pay AND to do anything fun with that time off”
I’d rather get a better schedule every month than a schedule I can’t afford once a year.
“We’d lose trip touching!”
“it’s cool that you can string together 35 days off in a row but I can’t afford two months of 30 hours pay AND to do anything fun with that time off”
I’d rather get a better schedule every month than a schedule I can’t afford once a year.
06-11-2021, 09:04 AM
#100
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 524
Originally Posted by BE76pilot
This is absolutely wrong. Your removed trips for vacation will not drop you below garuntee. Stop spreading misinformation, and read the damn contact.
this was confirmed by the head of payroll when I spoke to her directly. Show me in the contract why you think I’m wrong.
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