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Old 03-05-2021, 01:35 PM   #1  
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Default 700/900 rates.

Might as well be Mesa.
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Old 03-05-2021, 01:37 PM   #2  
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We are still a quite bit above Mesa, less than SkyWest, just my quick comparison I have looked at so far. About in-line with PSA. This is looking at CA rates.
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We are still a quite bit above Mesa, less than SkyWest, just my quick comparison I have looked at so far. About in-line with PSA. This is looking at CA rates.
Itís fkn pathetic
we got effed AGAIN
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Itís fkn pathetic
we got effed AGAIN

Yeah, itís pretty bad! Itís average to slightly below average.
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I blame Mesa for dragging the average down...yet again their concessions have screwed over a different pilot group.
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I blame Mesa for dragging the average down...yet again their concessions have screwed over a different pilot group.
Yawn...yes,yes. All those concessions weíve taken. What were they again?
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Am I reading this right? Company offered 5% raise with mixed schedules, Union requested ~13% pay raise and independent schedules and our arbitrator settled on a 2.2% pay raise? Wtf happened?
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Nevermond. I'm a schmuck.

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Am I reading this right? Company offered 5% raise with mixed schedules, Union requested ~13% pay raise and independent schedules and our arbitrator settled on a 2.2% pay raise? Wtf happened?
doing the math itís roughly 4.5% for the 700 and 7% for the 900. The 2.2% is the average of the year over year difference Of Mesa and Skywest which was then averaged with our rates and put into Some year over year increase which is why year one FO is so much higher
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Am I reading this right? Company offered 5% raise with mixed schedules, Union requested ~13% pay raise and independent schedules and our arbitrator settled on a 2.2% pay raise? Wtf happened?
Cliffnotes version:

ALPA offers [CRJ2]; 1.13x[CRJ2]; 1.13x[1.13x[CRJ2]]

Company offers triple-qualified [CRJ2] with 5% override for any -7 or -9 flying.

Arbitrator discusses what the definition of "is" is.
Case law examples.

My personal favorite moment: "ALPA... is a dog that simply won't hunt in the evidentiary record. "

MESA & SKYWEST are considered comparable.
GOJETS & REPUBLIC & ENDEAVOR are excluded because they have (mixed -7 & -9 rates).

Arbitrary (pun intended) math determines that MESA rates increase 3.5% when comparing -7 vs. -9. Skywest comes in at a whopping 0.88%. Average equals 2.2%.

So, somehow MESA is the 'saving grace'.

Why didn't the arbiter compare apples to apples and compare percentages of -200 to the -7 and -9, respectively, you ask? Well, I couldn't tell you. Hey, you ask a guy to pull a magic number out of his @$$, I think he showed great showmanship. Still smells like...

Why did the union introduce numbers and call them 'averages excluding MESA outlier'. (aka We didn't feel like this number should count, but we still want the indisputable evidence and reason of an 'average rate'.) Who's to say? Sounds weak to me, but maybe I'm heartless.

Long story short, ALPA got outgunned on this one. One lawyer versus a megafirm whose motto is, "Employers and lawyers, working together." Gives me warm fuzzies all over. [Skin crawling]

In closing, the arbiter told the company not to whine about pilot yearly pay increase, since they've been in an accord with the pilots about that for twenty years now, so clearly it's working. Then he suggested the pilots will probably have to take a pay cut when the next round of negotiations comes out or there won't be a company left.

Personally, I think we could've settled on 9% blend (5+13)/2. Oh well, at least we know we won't be undercutting Skywest anytime soon.
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