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05-04-2016, 07:07 AM
#2271
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Originally Posted by Fleron270
I don't think management makes up rumors, but I'm sure they don't mind them existing and won't jump at disqualifying them. The rumors do keep people from leaving and they help push people over the fence to come here.
Until you are sitting in the plane at the gate, there is no reason to believe any rumors.
Until you are sitting in the plane at the gate, there is no reason to believe any rumors.
05-04-2016, 02:45 PM
#2275
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Posts: 37
Originally Posted by el jefe
Until there is an official announcement that the doors are closing, there will be no "mass exodus". Everyone that I know here is actively pursuing a better job. I guess I'm not tier one material, but I'm bailing at the first opportunity. No one's coming here to retire, and every f/o I fly with knows it's a short term stay for them. They are here because airwis checked all the boxes they had for qol at a regional job.
That being said don't look too closely Into all these rumors. In 8 years here I've only heard three rumors that Have actually had substance and became of anything. The furlough, losing United flying to express jet, and losing the Delta flying. Everything else has been dreams and fantasy.
That being said don't look too closely Into all these rumors. In 8 years here I've only heard three rumors that Have actually had substance and became of anything. The furlough, losing United flying to express jet, and losing the Delta flying. Everything else has been dreams and fantasy.
Sure it looks like a good contract. But a wholly owned like Piedmont or PSA seems smarter. Covers all the same bases and area of the country, promising flow, similar benefits from what I understand, and the way PDT and PSA talk about flow and upgrade youd be making MORE money going to a wholly owned because youd be a captain so soon. AND FLOW!
Any input? Why AWAC over Piedmont or PSA? Am I missing something about the contracts? Thanks!!!
05-04-2016, 03:07 PM
#2276
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Originally Posted by Learjet84
What is upgrade time at AWAC anyways? Why would a new hire want to go to a company with nearly no movement as stated in this thread several times and sit as a FO until they close the doors. AWAC cant get delta or american to bite. Rumor is captains over there are taking paycuts to go to Frontier and Atlas just to have more job security.
Sure it looks like a good contract. But a wholly owned like Piedmont or PSA seems smarter. Covers all the same bases and area of the country, promising flow, similar benefits from what I understand, and the way PDT and PSA talk about flow and upgrade youd be making MORE money going to a wholly owned because youd be a captain so soon. AND FLOW!
Any input? Why AWAC over Piedmont or PSA? Am I missing something about the contracts? Thanks!!!
Sure it looks like a good contract. But a wholly owned like Piedmont or PSA seems smarter. Covers all the same bases and area of the country, promising flow, similar benefits from what I understand, and the way PDT and PSA talk about flow and upgrade youd be making MORE money going to a wholly owned because youd be a captain so soon. AND FLOW!
Any input? Why AWAC over Piedmont or PSA? Am I missing something about the contracts? Thanks!!!
AWAC has a good working contract and a solid pilot group. They've been around for years with much stability.
That being said they probably won't sign a new deal with anyone until they get their new contract taken care. Mainline carriers want to know cost and AWAC management can't give that to them until they get a deal done.
Now back to what you wrote. You seem to have it figured out so maybe AWAC isn't your cup of tea. I will tell you PSA/PDT have their issues also. Regionals are Regionals. Someone on Top this year might not be on top next year. It's a Gamble!!
I stayed with Piedmont during the bad bad times. Times like what AWAC is going thru now. Pilots bailing left and right for fast upgrades. Those that stuck it out during that bad time period are all at American now and many will be there by the end of this year.
You just never know.
05-04-2016, 03:40 PM
#2277
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Originally Posted by Learjet84
What is upgrade time at AWAC anyways? Why would a new hire want to go to a company with nearly no movement as stated in this thread several times and sit as a FO until they close the doors. AWAC cant get delta or american to bite. Rumor is captains over there are taking paycuts to go to Frontier and Atlas just to have more job security.
Sure it looks like a good contract. But a wholly owned like Piedmont or PSA seems smarter. Covers all the same bases and area of the country, promising flow, similar benefits from what I understand, and the way PDT and PSA talk about flow and upgrade youd be making MORE money going to a wholly owned because youd be a captain so soon. AND FLOW!
Any input? Why AWAC over Piedmont or PSA? Am I missing something about the contracts? Thanks!!!
Sure it looks like a good contract. But a wholly owned like Piedmont or PSA seems smarter. Covers all the same bases and area of the country, promising flow, similar benefits from what I understand, and the way PDT and PSA talk about flow and upgrade youd be making MORE money going to a wholly owned because youd be a captain so soon. AND FLOW!
Any input? Why AWAC over Piedmont or PSA? Am I missing something about the contracts? Thanks!!!
Dont count on the flow... I really don't see the flow helping anyone getting hired today..
05-04-2016, 03:45 PM
#2278
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Originally Posted by MKUltra
Dont count on the flow... I really don't see the flow helping anyone getting hired today..
But recruiters at all 3 wholly owned airlines say its in their CBA/contract for years down the road and then prove that you'd be able to flow before then. Heck Piedmont says 4.5 years to American and then they show you the facts. American backs the flow too. American Airlines pilots have been at PDT PSA and Envoy booths (see youtube apparently they have some cheesy video about how its the best way to get to american. Propaganda probably.).
I guess my question would be since you're working at a regional either way, wouldnt it be BETTER to have the option of a flow now... even if it doesnt work like all these skeptics say at least there's a chance it would work and thats better than 0 chance anywhere else?
05-04-2016, 04:00 PM
#2279
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Originally Posted by Learjet84
I am a little uneasy about the flow also...
But recruiters at all 3 wholly owned airlines say its in their CBA/contract for years down the road and then prove that you'd be able to flow before then. Heck Piedmont says 4.5 years to American and then they show you the facts. American backs the flow too. American Airlines pilots have been at PDT PSA and Envoy booths (see youtube apparently they have some cheesy video about how its the best way to get to american. Propaganda probably.).
I guess my question would be since you're working at a regional either way, wouldnt it be BETTER to have the option of a flow now... even if it doesnt work like all these skeptics say at least there's a chance it would work and thats better than 0 chance anywhere else?
But recruiters at all 3 wholly owned airlines say its in their CBA/contract for years down the road and then prove that you'd be able to flow before then. Heck Piedmont says 4.5 years to American and then they show you the facts. American backs the flow too. American Airlines pilots have been at PDT PSA and Envoy booths (see youtube apparently they have some cheesy video about how its the best way to get to american. Propaganda probably.).
I guess my question would be since you're working at a regional either way, wouldnt it be BETTER to have the option of a flow now... even if it doesnt work like all these skeptics say at least there's a chance it would work and thats better than 0 chance anywhere else?
05-04-2016, 04:28 PM
#2280
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Originally Posted by Learjet84
I am a little uneasy about the flow also...
But recruiters at all 3 wholly owned airlines say its in their CBA/contract for years down the road and then prove that you'd be able to flow before then. Heck Piedmont says 4.5 years to American and then they show you the facts. American backs the flow too. American Airlines pilots have been at PDT PSA and Envoy booths (see youtube apparently they have some cheesy video about how its the best way to get to american. Propaganda probably.).
I guess my question would be since you're working at a regional either way, wouldnt it be BETTER to have the option of a flow now... even if it doesnt work like all these skeptics say at least there's a chance it would work and thats better than 0 chance anywhere else?
But recruiters at all 3 wholly owned airlines say its in their CBA/contract for years down the road and then prove that you'd be able to flow before then. Heck Piedmont says 4.5 years to American and then they show you the facts. American backs the flow too. American Airlines pilots have been at PDT PSA and Envoy booths (see youtube apparently they have some cheesy video about how its the best way to get to american. Propaganda probably.).
I guess my question would be since you're working at a regional either way, wouldnt it be BETTER to have the option of a flow now... even if it doesnt work like all these skeptics say at least there's a chance it would work and thats better than 0 chance anywhere else?
However not everyone wants to work for American and that leaves Delta/United and few others. Have a job for sure in your back pocket at American can be nice if that's what you want when selecting an American WO'ed.
Last edited by billyho; 05-04-2016 at 05:02 PM.
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