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10-03-2014, 09:37 AM
#852
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Posts: 547
Originally Posted by HighFly
I recently heard something about USAIR stopping negotiations for the renewal/extension. Does anybody has more insight into what the future holds?
First of all USAIR does not exist. Any negotiations would be with the NEW American. Whatever you heard, was probably a fragment of the truth. These negotiations are complex and maybe an aspect of them was halted but there are lots of other signs that point to an agreement eventually.
10-03-2014, 02:27 PM
#853
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
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Posts: 75
Originally Posted by FODhopper
First of all USAIR does not exist. Any negotiations would be with the NEW American. Whatever you heard, was probably a fragment of the truth. These negotiations are complex and maybe an aspect of them was halted but there are lots of other signs that point to an agreement eventually.
10-03-2014, 03:51 PM
#854
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,097
AWAC is an expensive operator and have never won an RFP. All previous aircraft were placed with UAL when they expanded their RJ flying from 328's to RJs. They were supposed to get 140 but got 70 then SkyWest starting picking up the slack. After 9/11 the UAL bankruptcy court threw out the AWAC contract and it went to Mesa for a roughly 30% less cost (that is a big number). After AWAC lost that contract the owners threw a hail mary and bought their Airways flying. AWAC still has a scope carve out in UAL's contract for 18 large RJs that UAL hasn't taken advantage of, what does that tell you about their operating costs?
The business environment is very different than what was in place pre-9/11 when AWAC got the first order. Back then UAL made a phone call to the owners and presto more planes were ordered. Very different today. It's sad but it is what it is. Look what is happening to every other expensive operator. ExpressJet, Eagle, Comair (gone), the list goes on.
If you are former military just looking to get current it would be a great place. Ex-121 CA with some PIC time in tprops, yep good option. Just starting out? What are you thinking? Go to Mesa/PSA/Compass and get the 2-3 year upgrade (or less) and GTFO out of the commuters ASAP.
Coming to AWAC now would be like going to Eagle. Top heavy with a decent amount of lifers with no desire to move up the food chain. Don't set your career back 2-3-4-5 years going to a stagnant dead-end commuter.
There was a short time in recent history where 2004-2005 hires got a rapid upgrade there and most of them have bailed. That was due to the shift to Airways and a large amount of the guys who were happily flying DEN and ATW day trips left. The people left aren't going anywhere. For the people hired after they sit around 6-7 years. That is a long time to sit in the right seat. IMO.
The CEO there is a puppet. He works for the owners and his hands are tied for all intents and purposes.
The business environment is very different than what was in place pre-9/11 when AWAC got the first order. Back then UAL made a phone call to the owners and presto more planes were ordered. Very different today. It's sad but it is what it is. Look what is happening to every other expensive operator. ExpressJet, Eagle, Comair (gone), the list goes on.
If you are former military just looking to get current it would be a great place. Ex-121 CA with some PIC time in tprops, yep good option. Just starting out? What are you thinking? Go to Mesa/PSA/Compass and get the 2-3 year upgrade (or less) and GTFO out of the commuters ASAP.
Coming to AWAC now would be like going to Eagle. Top heavy with a decent amount of lifers with no desire to move up the food chain. Don't set your career back 2-3-4-5 years going to a stagnant dead-end commuter.
There was a short time in recent history where 2004-2005 hires got a rapid upgrade there and most of them have bailed. That was due to the shift to Airways and a large amount of the guys who were happily flying DEN and ATW day trips left. The people left aren't going anywhere. For the people hired after they sit around 6-7 years. That is a long time to sit in the right seat. IMO.
The CEO there is a puppet. He works for the owners and his hands are tied for all intents and purposes.
10-03-2014, 04:00 PM
#856
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,097
Originally Posted by phlyingPhil
Amd your qualifications are?
When I started at AWAC Scott Orozco was the CP, if that dates me.
Ironically enough when I did OE at my new company, the check airman was hired here the day MVA and Air Wisconsin merged. He was an AWAC guy, we flew with some of the same people. Incredibly small world.
10-04-2014, 06:10 PM
#859
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 22
AWAC future
Originally Posted by Name User
AWAC is an expensive operator and have never won an RFP. All previous aircraft were placed with UAL when they expanded their RJ flying from 328's to RJs. They were supposed to get 140 but got 70 then SkyWest starting picking up the slack. After 9/11 the UAL bankruptcy court threw out the AWAC contract and it went to Mesa for a roughly 30% less cost (that is a big number). After AWAC lost that contract the owners threw a hail mary and bought their Airways flying. AWAC still has a scope carve out in UAL's contract for 18 large RJs that UAL hasn't taken advantage of, what does that tell you about their operating costs?
The business environment is very different than what was in place pre-9/11 when AWAC got the first order. Back then UAL made a phone call to the owners and presto more planes were ordered. Very different today. It's sad but it is what it is. Look what is happening to every other expensive operator. ExpressJet, Eagle, Comair (gone), the list goes on.
If you are former military just looking to get current it would be a great place. Ex-121 CA with some PIC time in tprops, yep good option. Just starting out? What are you thinking? Go to Mesa/PSA/Compass and get the 2-3 year upgrade (or less) and GTFO out of the commuters ASAP.
Coming to AWAC now would be like going to Eagle. Top heavy with a decent amount of lifers with no desire to move up the food chain. Don't set your career back 2-3-4-5 years going to a stagnant dead-end commuter.
There was a short time in recent history where 2004-2005 hires got a rapid upgrade there and most of them have bailed. That was due to the shift to Airways and a large amount of the guys who were happily flying DEN and ATW day trips left. The people left aren't going anywhere. For the people hired after they sit around 6-7 years. That is a long time to sit in the right seat. IMO.
The CEO there is a puppet. He works for the owners and his hands are tied for all intents and purposes.
The business environment is very different than what was in place pre-9/11 when AWAC got the first order. Back then UAL made a phone call to the owners and presto more planes were ordered. Very different today. It's sad but it is what it is. Look what is happening to every other expensive operator. ExpressJet, Eagle, Comair (gone), the list goes on.
If you are former military just looking to get current it would be a great place. Ex-121 CA with some PIC time in tprops, yep good option. Just starting out? What are you thinking? Go to Mesa/PSA/Compass and get the 2-3 year upgrade (or less) and GTFO out of the commuters ASAP.
Coming to AWAC now would be like going to Eagle. Top heavy with a decent amount of lifers with no desire to move up the food chain. Don't set your career back 2-3-4-5 years going to a stagnant dead-end commuter.
There was a short time in recent history where 2004-2005 hires got a rapid upgrade there and most of them have bailed. That was due to the shift to Airways and a large amount of the guys who were happily flying DEN and ATW day trips left. The people left aren't going anywhere. For the people hired after they sit around 6-7 years. That is a long time to sit in the right seat. IMO.
The CEO there is a puppet. He works for the owners and his hands are tied for all intents and purposes.
10-04-2014, 06:18 PM
#860
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 2,002
Originally Posted by HighFly
But..the big question remains...what is going to happen to AWAC once their contract with USAIR expires next year? Any educated guess on that?
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