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Old 02-06-2019, 02:12 PM
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[QUOTE=PNWFlyer;2758303]What? Only 2 US Airlines have orders for the A220 and Jet Blue is not a legacy. The 3rd airline (Moxy) does not yet exist. Oh, and Republic has an order that is in limbo.

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And more will follow. Just not Alaska. They are too enamored with screwing their pilots over with no scope.
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Old 02-06-2019, 06:57 PM
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What? Only 2 US Airlines have orders for the A220 and Jet Blue is not a legacy. The 3rd airline (Moxy) does not yet exist. Oh, and Republic has an order that is in limbo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...and_deliveries[/

And more will follow. Just not Alaska. They are too enamored with screwing their pilots over with no scope.
When and who will that be exactly? American flies the E-190. Go Jet ordered CRJs for United. Southwest?
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Old 02-07-2019, 07:37 AM
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Yeah there's no way I'm flying an E2 coast to coast for scraps off the dinner table. F that. Our contract isn't amendable until 2024 and our Union has told the company any further changes will be through section 6. We're done with them.
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[QUOTE=fivebyfive;2758432]
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What? Only 2 US Airlines have orders for the A220 and Jet Blue is not a legacy. The 3rd airline (Moxy) does not yet exist. Oh, and Republic has an order that is in limbo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...and_deliveries[/

And more will follow. Just not Alaska. They are too enamored with screwing their pilots over with no scope.
Exactly. BT does what is in the best interest of Alaska Air Group, not Alaska Airlines. Alaska Airlines has zero scope protection, none, so if it benefits AAG to have an E2 or A220 operate on the QX level (which the QX pilot group will take if it means more money and growth) then that is what will happen. The other alternative is Alaska management chooses to place the E2 or A220 with the Alaska pilot group but forces you to cave on major issues in Contract 2020 in order to obtain them. You all know how Angle Lake works and you know it all comes down to the cheapest option and to heck with all else, feelings and morale included.
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Exactly. BT does what is in the best interest of Alaska Air Group, not Alaska Airlines. Alaska Airlines has zero scope protection, none, so if it benefits AAG to have an E2 or A220 operate on the QX level (which the QX pilot group will take if it means more money and growth) then that is what will happen. The other alternative is Alaska management chooses to place the E2 or A220 with the Alaska pilot group but forces you to cave on major issues in Contract 2020 in order to obtain them. You all know how Angle Lake works and you know it all comes down to the cheapest option and to heck with all else, feelings and morale included.
Sorry that last part was not meant to be in my post, but it and you are correct on the last part.

"And more will follow. Just not Alaska." neither the E-190E2 or the A-220 are setting the order books on fire.

Why? Scope. We do not have it but others do and that gives us limited protection... for now.

I am more worried about 787's with Eskimo Joe on the tail that say "Operated by Atlas" on the side.
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You should be worried about RJs, narrowbodies and widebodies with eskimo joe on the tail and not operated by AS pilots. The threat is real and can come in any form.


While the good economy and "pilot shortage" is a quasi protection right now, the economy can tank and the politicians can delete the 1500 hour rule.


Without a scope clause you are unable to enforce your contract at all.


Contract 2020 is going to be ugly and drawn out. Best hope is the eskimo gets bought out as B&B are going to make you pay big for scope.


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B&B are going to make you pay big for scope.
They can't make us do anything, we have to do it to ourselves.
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Yes you will.
Please do something about it then.
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