My takeaway from Flight Path / V1
02-02-2019 | 08:03 AM
#91
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Airfleets.net lists, by tail number, 233 mainline aircraft:
A319 = 10
A320 = 53
A321 = 8
B737-700 = 14
B737-800 = 61
B737-900 = 12
B737-900ER = 75
https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/...20Airlines.htm
MODERATORS - please update Fleet on APC.
A319 = 10
A320 = 53
A321 = 8
B737-700 = 14
B737-800 = 61
B737-900 = 12
B737-900ER = 75
https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/...20Airlines.htm
MODERATORS - please update Fleet on APC.
N297AK in January
We take
N298AK in a couple of days
So yes 235 is a good number 😉
02-02-2019 | 09:35 AM
#94
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Yeah! Let’s all hate ourselves and hope for the worst!! That’ll show ‘em. If I were you, I wouldn’t spend one more day at this place. You’d blend right in with the guys at JB, NK, F9, 5Y, OY, SY, K4 etc. all saying their airline is the worst....he11 every airline on these boards has someone hating themselves. Good thing is, all those places are hiring. Best of luck to you in your future endeavors.
02-02-2019 | 09:54 AM
#95
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Here is a place you can go. The green grass of KY! Bet they made all that sitting on reserve and picking up premium unicorn turn trips all while having all the time off they want at second year pay to boot! Plus the romantic symbiotic relationship between the pilot and management groups creates a utopian mindset that spans ones career. Just ask any UPS pilot. Again smell that fresh green grass! Like the previous post said.....lots of places hiring.
02-02-2019 | 10:28 AM
#96
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It’s funny, I think these are very realistic numbers, sobering maybe if you are new. These are the best numbers out right now to judge career progression on, so if I were new, or just a pilot on the list, I would find them germane.
Hired right now 2950
In five years you would move up +_ 300 numbers to roughly 2650
Best case you are 2650 out of 3650(73%)
Worst case 2650 out of 3300(80%)
60% is a good swag usually for your first possible upgrade. That makes:
2190 to 1980 the upgrade line:
August ‘16 to May ‘17 hire date to hold CA by the end of 2024 to early 2025.
I would call these realistic, cut green grass in your front yard kind of numbers. I figured people would want to know them.
Hired right now 2950
In five years you would move up +_ 300 numbers to roughly 2650
Best case you are 2650 out of 3650(73%)
Worst case 2650 out of 3300(80%)
60% is a good swag usually for your first possible upgrade. That makes:
2190 to 1980 the upgrade line:
August ‘16 to May ‘17 hire date to hold CA by the end of 2024 to early 2025.
I would call these realistic, cut green grass in your front yard kind of numbers. I figured people would want to know them.
Last edited by Mea25000; 02-02-2019 at 10:41 AM.
02-02-2019 | 11:10 AM
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It’s funny, I think these are very realistic numbers, sobering maybe if you are new. These are the best numbers out right now to judge career progression on, so if I were new, or just a pilot on the list, I would find them germane.
Hired right now 2950
In five years you would move up +_ 300 numbers to roughly 2650
Best case you are 2650 out of 3650(73%)
Worst case 2650 out of 3300(80%)
60% is a good swag usually for your first possible upgrade. That makes:
2190 to 1980 the upgrade line:
August ‘16 to May ‘17 hire date to hold CA by the end of 2024 to early 2025.
I would call these realistic, cut green grass in your front yard kind of numbers. I figured people would want to know them.
Hired right now 2950
In five years you would move up +_ 300 numbers to roughly 2650
Best case you are 2650 out of 3650(73%)
Worst case 2650 out of 3300(80%)
60% is a good swag usually for your first possible upgrade. That makes:
2190 to 1980 the upgrade line:
August ‘16 to May ‘17 hire date to hold CA by the end of 2024 to early 2025.
I would call these realistic, cut green grass in your front yard kind of numbers. I figured people would want to know them.
I can understand why people get sideways with naysayers and koolaide drinkers alike, but I’ll never understand why they get sideways with someone who just has some actual intel, not gospel truth, but at least snapshot level intel, trying to help guys make decisions for THEIR future.
02-02-2019 | 12:12 PM
#98
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Preciate the break down on the % line Mea. And, if I read it right, none of that takes into account attrition between now and 24-25.
I can understand why people get sideways with naysayers and koolaide drinkers alike, but I’ll never understand why they get sideways with someone who just has some actual intel, not gospel truth, but at least snapshot level intel, trying to help guys make decisions for THEIR future.
I can understand why people get sideways with naysayers and koolaide drinkers alike, but I’ll never understand why they get sideways with someone who just has some actual intel, not gospel truth, but at least snapshot level intel, trying to help guys make decisions for THEIR future.
Uhm... The retirements are built in to those numbers. The back end attrition is rarely anywhere near the upgrade line, usually falling off the very bottom realistically affecting no one. Early on there may be a slight increase of east cost FO departures closer to that line but this will be a very small number.
Alaska upgrade time for anyone hired 2016 to current should be 7 - 11.5 years. I know that isn’t sexy. Those are just the facts.
Last edited by Mea25000; 02-02-2019 at 12:26 PM.
02-02-2019 | 12:42 PM
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Uhm... The retirements are built in to those numbers. The back end attrition is rarely anywhere near the upgrade line, usually falling off the very bottom realistically affecting no one. Early on there may be a slight increase of east cost FO departures closer to that line but this will be a very small number.
Alaska upgrade time for anyone hired 2016 to current should be 7 - 11.5 years. I know that isn’t sexy. Those are just the facts.
Alaska upgrade time for anyone hired 2016 to current should be 7 - 11.5 years. I know that isn’t sexy. Those are just the facts.
02-02-2019 | 12:49 PM
#100
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I think he was referring to attrition other than retirements. As you said, however, that number is probably relatively small. There will be some minor exodus due to JFK closing, plus some young guys wanting different kinds of flying opportunities, as well as a few medical early outs, but these will likely be relatively small numbers.
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