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conquestdz 06-03-2020 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by HulkaBurger (Post 3069683)
There is no "they". It's one person.

Its probably multiple people at the same consulting firm.

HulkaBurger 06-04-2020 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3069807)
I only wish there was a way to prove how wrong you are.

The one absolutely perfect way to prove I'm right is the fact that you say I'm wrong. 🤪

LonesomeSky 06-04-2020 05:38 AM

Please argue with OTZ on a new thread. This never ending back and forth has kept a thread that questions union dues on top of the Alaska forum for several weeks. If OTZ's mission is to undermine the union, every post on this thread is helping him achieve his goals.

OTZeagle1 06-04-2020 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3066160)
This is the exact reason the union should have said something.... You have 400 people on a manic ride. One minute they are low realizing the unthinkable is about to happen, the next sky high because AAL is running new hire classes, and back straight down when they realize it wasn’t true.

Right now AS is running about 24% of its 2020 planned schedule at 40% load factor, at 65% of last year ticket pricing. Right now fall looks about a 40-50% load on a significantly reduced schedule. We are forecasting 817 bid blocks August ‘21. Everyone is smarter then this but I get it, I have lost a loved one, everyday I woke up I was happy, then I remembered. No matter where you are on the seniority list you want to believe the impossible, I get it.

I never lied to you

NewGuy01 06-04-2020 09:36 AM

They are saying 30-40 less aircraft. So that means 280 less pilots at 40*7=280?


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OTZeagle1 06-04-2020 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3066309)
I will make this really simple:

Alaska made 8,781,000,000 in 2019

If revenue returns at 70%, that means AS has a 6,147,000,000 dollar pile of money for 2021.

The costs to run our full operation are about 7,718,000,000, that means we would be short or lose (1,571,000,000) for the year. That would not work.

If we reduce our operating costs by 20%, our expenses will be roughly, 6,174,000,000


70 % 2919 revenue 6,147,000,000

Minus 80% 2019 costs -6,174,000,000

Equals a survivable negative number (27,000,000)

We are not Southwest, we do not have Southwest cost structure. We are determined to survive this and take advantage on the backside. We are not looking to become one of the big 4, we are about responsibly growing our brand.

I know I know I am always wrong right 321

ELAC321 06-04-2020 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3070032)
They are saying 30-40 less aircraft. So that means 280 less pilots at 40*7=280?


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7 pilots per plane? Where'd you pull that number

OTZeagle1 06-04-2020 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3070032)
They are saying 30-40 less aircraft. So that means 280 less pilots at 40*7=280?


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40 x 12 = 480
30 x 12 = 360

“Ha ha ha 12.5% OTZ is such a looser“

FogHorn 06-04-2020 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3070032)
They are saying 30-40 less aircraft. So that means 280 less pilots at 40*7=280?


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How did you land on that number? 237 mainline airplanes, 3,096 on the list.

NewGuy01 06-04-2020 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by FogHorn (Post 3070036)
How did you land on that number? 237 mainline airplanes, 3,096 on the list.


Ben just made the announcement on the webcast


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