Spirit and Frontier… just the beginning
02-13-2022 | 08:51 PM
#171
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If they did buy Alaska, for sure they would tear up the Alaska brand and rightfully so, Alaska’s brand appeal is mostly limited to the PNW, lounges would be gone, first class gone frequent flyer program gone etc. From the pilot perspective look back at the AirTran integration for a template of what you’d likely see here as well.
02-13-2022 | 09:16 PM
#172
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If they did buy Alaska, for sure they would tear up the Alaska brand and rightfully so, Alaska’s brand appeal is mostly limited to the PNW, lounges would be gone, first class gone frequent flyer program gone etc. From the pilot perspective look back at the AirTran integration for a template of what you’d likely see here as well.
02-13-2022 | 11:16 PM
#174
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From: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
If they did buy Alaska, for sure they would tear up the Alaska brand and rightfully so, Alaska’s brand appeal is mostly limited to the PNW, lounges would be gone, first class gone frequent flyer program gone etc. From the pilot perspective look back at the AirTran integration for a template of what you’d likely see here as well.
02-14-2022 | 07:21 AM
#176
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1. Pilot shortage. OO will be having staffing troubles, so it would be better to mutually terminate a CPA than to fail to deliver on other CPAs with other brands.
2. Pilot shortage. Other regionals will be unable to deliver on CPA obligations so OO could easily shift capacity to cover shortfalls elsewhere.
I assume OO would want to some sort of payout for their trouble (repaint planes, move crew bases, etc) but I think it would be pennies on the dollar.
02-14-2022 | 07:51 AM
#177
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Probably not right now...
1. Pilot shortage. OO will be having staffing troubles, so it would be better to mutually terminate a CPA than to fail to deliver on other CPAs with other brands.
2. Pilot shortage. Other regionals will be unable to deliver on CPA obligations so OO could easily shift capacity to cover shortfalls elsewhere.
I assume OO would want to some sort of payout for their trouble (repaint planes, move crew bases, etc) but I think it would be pennies on the dollar.
1. Pilot shortage. OO will be having staffing troubles, so it would be better to mutually terminate a CPA than to fail to deliver on other CPAs with other brands.
2. Pilot shortage. Other regionals will be unable to deliver on CPA obligations so OO could easily shift capacity to cover shortfalls elsewhere.
I assume OO would want to some sort of payout for their trouble (repaint planes, move crew bases, etc) but I think it would be pennies on the dollar.
Not to mention there’s no way they’re experiencing staffing shortages in Alaska SkyWest base’s. I think SAN is the most senior base at the whole company. Would those senior folks retire or commute? I’d bet most retire.
I’m sure Alaska and SkyWest negotiated an earlier exit in the contract, but it won’t be cheap. Is it ever cheap to cut a professional player from their contract early? Is it cheap to get out of my lease on my apartment? No, and no.
02-14-2022 | 08:23 AM
#178
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Lol that's not how buying an airline works at all. If SWA bought us, it isn' an ALPA to ALPA merger. Ask Airtran how staying ALPA worked out for them. AS would have zero leg to stand on in terms of fighting power. We would be Airtran 2.0 and have to eat whatever they serve us. If SWA could simply staple us, they would. Getting DOH would be most the best we could hope for.
02-14-2022 | 08:35 AM
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Lol that’s some wishful thinking Rick. I’d have to assume it would be very expensive. You really think SkyWest is going to just welcome new debt on 40 175’s onto their balance sheet? Those 175’s are financed by the contracts. Where are the 40 going? We’re scoped out at United, and I think Delta is scoped out as well, maybe American? Doubtful.
Not to mention there’s no way they’re experiencing staffing shortages in Alaska SkyWest base’s. I think SAN is the most senior base at the whole company. Would those senior folks retire or commute? I’d bet most retire.
I’m sure Alaska and SkyWest negotiated an earlier exit in the contract, but it won’t be cheap. Is it ever cheap to cut a professional player from their contract early? Is it cheap to get out of my lease on my apartment? No, and no.
Not to mention there’s no way they’re experiencing staffing shortages in Alaska SkyWest base’s. I think SAN is the most senior base at the whole company. Would those senior folks retire or commute? I’d bet most retire.
I’m sure Alaska and SkyWest negotiated an earlier exit in the contract, but it won’t be cheap. Is it ever cheap to cut a professional player from their contract early? Is it cheap to get out of my lease on my apartment? No, and no.
The Execs trying to put this merger together probably just read this and are freaking out trying to figure out what to do!!!!!
02-14-2022 | 08:39 AM
#180
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Lol that’s some wishful thinking Rick. I’d have to assume it would be very expensive. You really think SkyWest is going to just welcome new debt on 40 175’s onto their balance sheet? Those 175’s are financed by the contracts. Where are the 40 going? We’re scoped out at United, and I think Delta is scoped out as well, maybe American? Doubtful.
Not to mention there’s no way they’re experiencing staffing shortages in Alaska SkyWest base’s. I think SAN is the most senior base at the whole company. Would those senior folks retire or commute? I’d bet most retire.
I’m sure Alaska and SkyWest negotiated an earlier exit in the contract, but it won’t be cheap. Is it ever cheap to cut a professional player from their contract early? Is it cheap to get out of my lease on my apartment? No, and no.
Not to mention there’s no way they’re experiencing staffing shortages in Alaska SkyWest base’s. I think SAN is the most senior base at the whole company. Would those senior folks retire or commute? I’d bet most retire.
I’m sure Alaska and SkyWest negotiated an earlier exit in the contract, but it won’t be cheap. Is it ever cheap to cut a professional player from their contract early? Is it cheap to get out of my lease on my apartment? No, and no.
I know the SAN people, used to be one of them. They'd drive to LAX or PSP, just like the last time SAN closed. OO is not going to dig their heels in just to save a gucci pilot base
And I'm not "wishing" for anything.
