Spirit and Frontier… just the beginning
#333
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Joined: Jan 2009
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From: 737 Left
If I had to guess, and this is just a guess, I would guess not at all. I ran in to a recent retiree in Seattle a couple of years ago. He got hired in the 80’s. He didn’t think he would retire as an Alaska Airlines pilot, but he did. He always thought we we get bought by someone. I see the same fate for the rest of us, so let’s make sure this next contract is one we can live with and be proud of. We are one good contract away from this place being the best narrow body airline in the world to work for, and we have some control there. Let’s focus on that. April 1 is coming.
#334
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Joined: May 2017
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A good pilot contract will hopefully force management to drop their small minded “small airline” mentality. Overall it will be better for AS as a whole and allow them to compete and grow.
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#335
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Joined: Jan 2006
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
If I had to guess, and this is just a guess, I would guess not at all. I ran in to a recent retiree in Seattle a couple of years ago. He got hired in the 80’s. He didn’t think he would retire as an Alaska Airlines pilot, but he did. He always thought we we get bought by someone. I see the same fate for the rest of us, so let’s make sure this next contract is one we can live with and be proud of. We are one good contract away from this place being the best narrow body airline in the world to work for, and we have some control there. Let’s focus on that. April 1 is coming.
Could be the mgt team has run out of runway to keep milking their regional legacy model (the last one standing) for their own job security. Could be that the board recognizes this.
#337
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Joined: Feb 2006
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If I had to guess, and this is just a guess, I would guess not at all. I ran in to a recent retiree in Seattle a couple of years ago. He got hired in the 80’s. He didn’t think he would retire as an Alaska Airlines pilot, but he did. He always thought we we get bought by someone. I see the same fate for the rest of us, so let’s make sure this next contract is one we can live with and be proud of. We are one good contract away from this place being the best narrow body airline in the world to work for, and we have some control there. Let’s focus on that. April 1 is coming.
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#338
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Joined: Nov 2020
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Reminds me of a Poli sci professor asking the class how many think that the US will be here forever (or at least till the end of humankind).....almost everyone raises their hand, then he shows a chart basically showing that 98% of the known "nations" of the world that have ever existed, cease to exist. How many Romans thought they had the world by the shorthairs? Everything has a first and last time.
#339
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Joined: Nov 2019
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Outlook for clear skies and smooth sailing. No merger anywhere in the forecast. Amen. Alaska will continue to do what they have always done. It works, they are comfortable with it and it is durable. Returning to single fleet is like hiring 500 pilots. Competing in a volatile furl market with only NEO/MAX creates higher profitability than flights flown…More pilots not needed. 190 seats instead of 150 seats is again many pilots not needed. The ability to profitably throttle expansion back to idle and coast is exceptionally durable. Alaska does not need or want to ever do any East coast flying or East coast to mid con flying….They do not want or need to have a hub off of the West coast. They make staggering profits of the CC program…Profitability that requires no pilots or airplanes. The cost for another airline to attempt a hostile take over is far beyond the value they would gain. Seattle is not that important to anyones operation except Alaskas. The four Major airlines in the country are not interested in the merger game. JetBlue does not have the horsepower to attempt a merger and Alaska has zero interest in them or their type of operation. Spirit/Frontier will be years in the process of cleaning up the mess they have created. Sun Country-not a chance. It brings nothing….Hawaiian-not a chance. Alaska has no use for what they are. And no desire to again spend hundreds of millions getting rid of an entire Airline worth of airplanes…..
If anyone at Alaska is foolish enough to be hanging on hoping for a mythical merjer….Sad times ahead for them.
If anyone at Alaska is foolish enough to be hanging on hoping for a mythical merjer….Sad times ahead for them.
#340
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Joined: Jun 2021
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Outlook for clear skies and smooth sailing. No merger anywhere in the forecast. Amen. Alaska will continue to do what they have always done. It works, they are comfortable with it and it is durable. Returning to single fleet is like hiring 500 pilots. Competing in a volatile furl market with only NEO/MAX creates higher profitability than flights flown…More pilots not needed. 190 seats instead of 150 seats is again many pilots not needed. The ability to profitably throttle expansion back to idle and coast is exceptionally durable. Alaska does not need or want to ever do any East coast flying or East coast to mid con flying….They do not want or need to have a hub off of the West coast. They make staggering profits of the CC program…Profitability that requires no pilots or airplanes. The cost for another airline to attempt a hostile take over is far beyond the value they would gain. Seattle is not that important to anyones operation except Alaskas. The four Major airlines in the country are not interested in the merger game. JetBlue does not have the horsepower to attempt a merger and Alaska has zero interest in them or their type of operation. Spirit/Frontier will be years in the process of cleaning up the mess they have created. Sun Country-not a chance. It brings nothing….Hawaiian-not a chance. Alaska has no use for what they are. And no desire to again spend hundreds of millions getting rid of an entire Airline worth of airplanes…..
If anyone at Alaska is foolish enough to be hanging on hoping for a mythical merjer….Sad times ahead for them.
If anyone at Alaska is foolish enough to be hanging on hoping for a mythical merjer….Sad times ahead for them.


