Spirit and Frontier… just the beginning
#821
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Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,600
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If I never had to fly to or layover in those two cities again that would be a huge blessing. A west coast super regional with no connectivity in the mid con and an east coast super regional with the same problem…JetBlue has a marginally better contract but a management culture that ignores it every day. So that is a wash. Both management groups are fascinated by creating meaningless acronym groups and playing to every whim of the mindless masses. Selling green wash stupidity while there fleets idle at airports waiting hours for parking. All broght on by lack of focus on their core business…Flying airplanes stupid.
Multiplying the stupidity by merging would be disastrous for both pilot groups…..Growth is only good when it is well executed…The merging of Alaska and JetBlue would be akin to the doubling in size of a cancerous tumor…
Multiplying the stupidity by merging would be disastrous for both pilot groups…..Growth is only good when it is well executed…The merging of Alaska and JetBlue would be akin to the doubling in size of a cancerous tumor…
#822
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Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 279
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#823
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Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 279
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https://liveandletsfly.com/jetblue-alaska-merger/
Speak of the devil
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#824
Prime Minister/Moderator

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 44,895
Likes: 690
From: Engines Turn or People Swim
https://liveandletsfly.com/jetblue-alaska-merger/
Speak of the devil
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#825
I really wish I could have sympathy for their “business model” woes, but just like the rest of corporate America, the productivity and management salaries graphs since about 1980 in this country have increased exponentially while wages across the board have remained relatively flat by comparison, and even though I’m a solid believer in capitalism, “trickle down” theory is like a two valve hose connector on the side of your house. One hose carries water to the institutional investor and one carries it to the workforce. Hard working folks in this country in all sectors (pilots included) have been told for 40 years some version of “aren’t you lucky we let you work here”…. “you need to be thankful you at least have a job”…. and now, unfortunately for them, while they’ve replaced gas station attendants and check out clerks with card swipes, and continue to march toward putting truckers out of work with self driving 18 wheelers,…. the traveling public can’t “self-fly” themselves in a jet, and robotic automation hasn’t kicked us out of the cockpit… yet. And when you point those disparities, their answer is, “sure, your pay hasn’t risen the same as management, but, but look at all the cool crap you can by from Dollar General, because we outsourced all our manufacturing…. if you don’t like it, either become a senior manager or learn how code.”
BM came to Alaska in 08 when jobs were scarce and workers were plentiful. Those are the conditions where his star rose. Unfortunately, for him the landscape has changed quite a bit since 08, but his playbook hasn’t. The wishbone offense made Bear Bryant the winningest coach in college football…. right up until it didn’t.
#826
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 151
Likes: 0
If I never had to fly to or layover in those two cities again that would be a huge blessing. A west coast super regional with no connectivity in the mid con and an east coast super regional with the same problem…JetBlue has a marginally better contract but a management culture that ignores it every day. So that is a wash. Both management groups are fascinated by creating meaningless acronym groups and playing to every whim of the mindless masses. Selling green wash stupidity while there fleets idle at airports waiting hours for parking. All broght on by lack of focus on their core business…Flying airplanes stupid.
Multiplying the stupidity by merging would be disastrous for both pilot groups…..Growth is only good when it is well executed…The merging of Alaska and JetBlue would be akin to the doubling in size of a cancerous tumor…
Multiplying the stupidity by merging would be disastrous for both pilot groups…..Growth is only good when it is well executed…The merging of Alaska and JetBlue would be akin to the doubling in size of a cancerous tumor…
#827
Every so often I think, maybe APC has changed and it has become a group of pilots collaborating to share industry news, views and insight. Then I read a comment like yours and I realize unfortunately it’s the same as it’s always been, 5% useful information, 95% vile people spewing hatred and division because their pathetic life is so disappointing the only way they can justify their existence is disparaging people and spreading hatred. You are the worst of this website and quite frankly this country.
Now I personally dig most of our urban cities on a limited basis, plus I don’t care where I layover for the most part, so I don’t share 9Mike’s antipathy for those areas. But, I noticed you’ve been fairly broad brushed in criticism at times as well. That doesn’t make you the worst of this website or the country. It just makes you like everyone else on here… someone with time, an opinion, and a keyboard.
#828
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 151
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I always thought we were supposed to be Americans first, no matter where you came from. Now it seems whatever state leans towards politics wise you must hate a state or a city because it is different from you politically. I find that absurd. Politics is supposed to be an ideological exercise of debate, not your identity. Now people see themselves as liberal or Republican first. It’s quite clear that post is from someone who watches Fox News nonstop so they get their marching orders to hate Seattle and Portland. Never mind that most people who live in these places are just normal folks going to work everyday. It’s the same people who hate California, forget that the majority of the whole country gets its fresh food from the state. And I would agree, it’s both sides, I just see the vitriol for hating whole swaths of this country and it’s residents seems to be a particularly popular thing in the Tucker Carlson fan base.
#829
I always thought we were supposed to be Americans first, no matter where you came from. Now it seems whatever state leans towards politics wise you must hate a state or a city because it is different from you politically. I find that absurd. Politics is supposed to be an ideological exercise of debate, not your identity. Now people see themselves as liberal or Republican first. It’s quite clear that post is from someone who watches Fox News nonstop so they get their marching orders to hate Seattle and Portland. Never mind that most people who live in these places are just normal folks going to work everyday. It’s the same people who hate California, forget that the majority of the whole country gets its fresh food from the state. And I would agree, it’s both sides, I just see the vitriol for hating whole swaths of this country and it’s residents seems to be a particularly popular thing in the Tucker Carlson fan base.
#830
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,753
Likes: 57
I always thought we were supposed to be Americans first, no matter where you came from. Now it seems whatever state leans towards politics wise you must hate a state or a city because it is different from you politically. I find that absurd. Politics is supposed to be an ideological exercise of debate, not your identity. Now people see themselves as liberal or Republican first. It’s quite clear that post is from someone who watches Fox News nonstop so they get their marching orders to hate Seattle and Portland. Never mind that most people who live in these places are just normal folks going to work everyday. It’s the same people who hate California, forget that the majority of the whole country gets its fresh food from the state. And I would agree, it’s both sides, I just see the vitriol for hating whole swaths of this country and it’s residents seems to be a particularly popular thing in the Tucker Carlson fan base.


