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09-26-2022 | 05:43 PM
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Reference page 6 of the executive summary, let it sink in. The true value of this contract is not on the pay scale. Pg. 6 shows the cumulative value of everything. For captains it’s a $150-200k yearly INCREASE in value by 2024. The NC promised to bring a contract that brought us in-line with our peers. They crushed it out of the park with an industry leading TA.
09-26-2022 | 06:05 PM
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09-26-2022 | 06:21 PM
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09-26-2022 | 08:22 PM
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12 days off GUARANTEED to be commutable on 1 end with earliest show of 1400 on day 1. You literally cannot be forced into an earlier show on day 1. For some that’s at least an extra 4 nights in their own bed or half the day to do whatever. I know it doesn’t sound as sexy as 14/15. But I believe your TAFB will be less and your QOL higher with these rules. Section 25 appears to have all the bells and whistles, possibly BEST in 121 pax ops. Hoping the language solidifies this.
There is no way that you can spin this that will satisfy me. Because it's all just lipstick on a pig. And we're all still on the hook for 18 days a month - indebted to the company.
That really kills any chance to frequently travel. Because 2-2-3-5 is a barely enough days to change out your laundry before you're back again.
09-26-2022 | 08:24 PM
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From: GearBbychoice
I spoke today with the person you have referenced in the MEC many times that you’re not a fan of. Section 25 was the deciding factor for this person. In fact he sounded a lot like you today. Wait, could it be?
09-26-2022 | 08:34 PM
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I can tell you one thing your not going to be stuck with 12 days off on reserve. If your are, you are doing something wrong. Reach out to the LAX LEC reps, reach out to the SFO LEC reps, reach out to BB, JT, RO, JY, the PBS and scheduling hotline. It’s not what your think and you have to get into the details with these guys. Mass improvements in this TA. 48 hours ago I was livid. Today I feel slightly childish because of my initial reaction. Our representation has put a ton of thought into each part of section 25. Input from national, every MEC(I have two close friends on other MECs and I asked them if that’s true of us communicating with them. Yes, all MECs are working together). There are other nuggets through out the TA. Take the time, read, ask a 1,000 questions.
09-26-2022 | 08:41 PM
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When you're home based, you spend enough time in your own bed.
There is no way that you can spin this that will satisfy me. Because it's all just lipstick on a pig. And we're all still on the hook for 18 days a month - indebted to the company.
That really kills any chance to frequently travel. Because 2-2-3-5 is a barely enough days to change out your laundry before you're back again.
There is no way that you can spin this that will satisfy me. Because it's all just lipstick on a pig. And we're all still on the hook for 18 days a month - indebted to the company.
That really kills any chance to frequently travel. Because 2-2-3-5 is a barely enough days to change out your laundry before you're back again.
With PBS you can stack trips and take it down to FAR limits.
09-26-2022 | 08:48 PM
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I can tell you one thing your not going to be stuck with 12 days off on reserve. If your are, you are doing something wrong. Reach out to the LAX LEC reps, reach out to the SFO LEC reps, reach out to BB, JT, RO, JY, the PBS and scheduling hotline. It’s not what your think and you have to get into the details with these guys. Mass improvements in this TA. 48 hours ago I was livid. Today I feel slightly childish because of my initial reaction. Our representation has put a ton of thought into each part of section 25. Input from national, every MEC(I have two close friends on other MECs and I asked them if that’s true of us communicating with them. Yes, all MECs are working together). There are other nuggets through out the TA. Take the time, read, ask a 1,000 questions.
09-26-2022 | 08:50 PM
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I can tell you one thing your not going to be stuck with 12 days off on reserve. If your are, you are doing something wrong. Reach out to the LAX LEC reps, reach out to the SFO LEC reps, reach out to BB, JT, RO, JY, the PBS and scheduling hotline. It’s not what your think and you have to get into the details with these guys. Mass improvements in this TA. 48 hours ago I was livid. Today I feel slightly childish because of my initial reaction. Our representation has put a ton of thought into each part of section 25. Input from national, every MEC(I have two close friends on other MECs and I asked them if that’s true of us communicating with them. Yes, all MECs are working together). There are other nuggets through out the TA. Take the time, read, ask a 1,000 questions.
Probably not good enough for “Brown easy No” but pretty freaken incredible!
09-26-2022 | 09:03 PM
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From: GearBbychoice
Under PBS and the new reserve system you will be able to bid for more days off than 12. Seniority based but still. On top of that aggressive pick allows you pick your schedule. An effectively neutralize days of reserve.
min the mean time before that is implemented
ADG is 5:15, it now applies to reserves as well. SCR you are called out and used for the first 15 days. 5:15 x 15 days=78:45. You are now a high time reserve, get realeased for the remainder or get paid 2:50 for just being in a RAP. That’s the last tidbit, I’ve done leg work you do the rest, there s a lot more, a lot more!
min the mean time before that is implemented
ADG is 5:15, it now applies to reserves as well. SCR you are called out and used for the first 15 days. 5:15 x 15 days=78:45. You are now a high time reserve, get realeased for the remainder or get paid 2:50 for just being in a RAP. That’s the last tidbit, I’ve done leg work you do the rest, there s a lot more, a lot more!
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