View Poll Results: Will the TA Pass?
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244
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Will It Pass?
09-28-2022 | 08:47 PM
#161
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Forest for the trees. Think of what case 1 and 2 implies. You get 306, 318, and 331 while *everyone* else (except 1 legacy) are stuck at 285. Case 1 and 2, by definition, means you are industry leading if that's the case!
Ok, and then you get that higher raise. If not, you're right there at #3, still above the one remaining big 3 legacy and Southwest and jetBlue.
We shall see, wont we? And what if they don't hit 340? Say Delta hits 335 for 2024. Isn't that still good that we are 331 and they are 335? Gives us ammo for the next contract negotiations which will start then.
318 in 2023? You mean 331.
Keep in mind, if this TA goes through then 306 was already done Sept 1 of this year. 318 would be 11 months away (2023), and 331 would be 1 yr, 11 months away (2024).
What's the likeliness and timeline of the other 5 carriers getting their contracts done anytime soon? I see this TA as being a solid improvement that lets us ride whatever the heck it is this economy is going to become for the next 12-18 months.
Ok, and then you get that higher raise. If not, you're right there at #3, still above the one remaining big 3 legacy and Southwest and jetBlue.
We shall see, wont we? And what if they don't hit 340? Say Delta hits 335 for 2024. Isn't that still good that we are 331 and they are 335? Gives us ammo for the next contract negotiations which will start then.
318 in 2023? You mean 331.
Keep in mind, if this TA goes through then 306 was already done Sept 1 of this year. 318 would be 11 months away (2023), and 331 would be 1 yr, 11 months away (2024).
What's the likeliness and timeline of the other 5 carriers getting their contracts done anytime soon? I see this TA as being a solid improvement that lets us ride whatever the heck it is this economy is going to become for the next 12-18 months.
It's not just rates, it's a lot of little compromises.
No monthly sick time accrual increase.
No improvements in, or savings on, Health plans
Only 12/13 days off for rsv.
No WOCL or SE override.
Now Im finding carve outs for All nighter turns that won't pay 5:15 per Daily Guarantee.
Per diem that's only increased. $.40 since 2009
Retro only going back a year and it's not even full retro. So no 401K contribution, No PBP bump and no ESPP bump.
Who's paying for the effin uniforms???
My list grows by the day. I think we're 75% there. We finally covered the 4 pillars from the JCBA but what about the rest of the contract??? It's section 6. The whole book is open, not just the stuff we got screwed on 6 years ago.
09-29-2022 | 12:29 AM
#162
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if scenario 5 played out and all 5 airlines, or even 4 -JB, got rates before Sept. 1, '23, this is the only way our pay would go above $318 on Sept. 1, '23. Unless of course, in scenarios 3-4 you laid out, they get $30/hr or more than us. Which a lot of the yes voters are saying is impossible because of the impending economic collapse and is their reason why we should ride it out with this TA. Yet at the same time saying, UAL, DAL and AA won't accept anything less than $30/hr more than us? But Alaska guys will???
It's not just rates, it's a lot of little compromises.
No monthly sick time accrual increase.
No improvements in, or savings on, Health plans
Only 12/13 days off for rsv.
No WOCL or SE override.
Now Im finding carve outs for All nighter turns that won't pay 5:15 per Daily Guarantee.
Per diem that's only increased. $.40 since 2009
Retro only going back a year and it's not even full retro. So no 401K contribution, No PBP bump and no ESPP bump.
Who's paying for the effin uniforms???
My list grows by the day. I think we're 75% there. We finally covered the 4 pillars from the JCBA but what about the rest of the contract??? It's section 6. The whole book is open, not just the stuff we got screwed on 6 years ago.
It's not just rates, it's a lot of little compromises.
No monthly sick time accrual increase.
No improvements in, or savings on, Health plans
Only 12/13 days off for rsv.
No WOCL or SE override.
Now Im finding carve outs for All nighter turns that won't pay 5:15 per Daily Guarantee.
Per diem that's only increased. $.40 since 2009
Retro only going back a year and it's not even full retro. So no 401K contribution, No PBP bump and no ESPP bump.
Who's paying for the effin uniforms???
My list grows by the day. I think we're 75% there. We finally covered the 4 pillars from the JCBA but what about the rest of the contract??? It's section 6. The whole book is open, not just the stuff we got screwed on 6 years ago.
Let me add: Everyone is so excited about scope, no one actually checked to see if 43% is actually industry competitive.
09-29-2022 | 12:01 PM
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"Snap up" / me too
Shyguy and Knockknock,
I'm not trying to be an A$$, but you two need to call a rep and have them explain exactly how the pay average works for the "Snap up."
However, to ease your minds a little......Knockknock, it only applies to new contracts that have been implemented and does not look at old lower rates ever.
Shyguy, I think you are a little misled on how some of those scenarios play out in case 1-5.
Everyone call a rep with questions that need that much detailed explaining.
Head bashing against wall
I'm not trying to be an A$$, but you two need to call a rep and have them explain exactly how the pay average works for the "Snap up."
However, to ease your minds a little......Knockknock, it only applies to new contracts that have been implemented and does not look at old lower rates ever.
Shyguy, I think you are a little misled on how some of those scenarios play out in case 1-5.
Everyone call a rep with questions that need that much detailed explaining.
Head bashing against wall
09-29-2022 | 02:37 PM
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No. 85+ 76 seaters to 225 mainline is not industry competitive.
Not to mention that other carriers have explicit limitations of where regionals can fly. How far. And how much depending on how many 76 seat aircraft are on property.
We'll find out tomorrow how comprehensive our scope clause truly is.
Not to mention that other carriers have explicit limitations of where regionals can fly. How far. And how much depending on how many 76 seat aircraft are on property.
We'll find out tomorrow how comprehensive our scope clause truly is.
09-29-2022 | 02:57 PM
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No. 85+ 76 seaters to 225 mainline is not industry competitive.
Not to mention that other carriers have explicit limitations of where regionals can fly. How far. And how much depending on how many 76 seat aircraft are on property.
We'll find out tomorrow how comprehensive our scope clause truly is.
Not to mention that other carriers have explicit limitations of where regionals can fly. How far. And how much depending on how many 76 seat aircraft are on property.
We'll find out tomorrow how comprehensive our scope clause truly is.
09-29-2022 | 05:01 PM
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Shyguy and Knockknock,
I'm not trying to be an A$$, but you two need to call a rep and have them explain exactly how the pay average works for the "Snap up."
However, to ease your minds a little......Knockknock, it only applies to new contracts that have been implemented and does not look at old lower rates ever.
Shyguy, I think you are a little misled on how some of those scenarios play out in case 1-5.
Everyone call a rep with questions that need that much detailed explaining.
Head bashing against wall
I'm not trying to be an A$$, but you two need to call a rep and have them explain exactly how the pay average works for the "Snap up."
However, to ease your minds a little......Knockknock, it only applies to new contracts that have been implemented and does not look at old lower rates ever.
Shyguy, I think you are a little misled on how some of those scenarios play out in case 1-5.
Everyone call a rep with questions that need that much detailed explaining.
Head bashing against wall
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