View Poll Results: Will the TA Pass?
Yes
244
75.08%
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81
24.92%
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Will It Pass?
09-28-2022 | 12:10 PM
#141
Line Holder
Joined: Mar 2022
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This "snap up" won't save us from only getting 4%. JB and SW are pretty far off from getting anything. The top 3 will have to exceed $350 within the next 11 months for the average to cancel out the bottom two. These rates will be ours to own for the next 6 years, maybe longer. For years I've heard 99% of this group say we're never again going to accept 5% less. Now guys are tripping over their deeks to do just that. Inflation calculators have your 2019, $266/hr rate at $308 today. Do you believe you're worth $2 less than a mere inflation bump? If you really, truly, believe we hold all the cards, why are we settling for rates below a known range? Send it back and be confident in your Royal Flush.
09-28-2022 | 12:16 PM
#142
On Reserve
Joined: May 2022
Posts: 114
Likes: 5
From: 737 CA
you sure about that? As of Dec 30 2022 their CA TOS rate would have been $309/hr. The FO rate looks like it was copied and pasted. Mirror image. So in 2.5 Months they would already been ahead. However, they found those numbers too embarrassing so the kicked it back. Nothing we wouldn't eat out of the trash for though...
So to recap their pay was lower than ours and it came with concessions. Good luck in fantasy land. Sure glad we have who we do on the NC over someone who thinks like you do.
09-28-2022 | 12:17 PM
#143
Line Holder
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,374
Likes: 54
This easily passes. The disconnect between what you read on here VS talking to guys on the line is unreal. 80/20.
No concessions. 330/hr ending NB pay(highest in the world). Vacation rules that will allow 20+ off in a month with less than a week vacation. Golden days to protect birthdays anniversaries etc. Scope. Reserve rules with several industry leading provisions and no junior manning unlike most every other airline. 5:15/ adg. Need I go on? This is a quantam leap over current rules.
No concessions. 330/hr ending NB pay(highest in the world). Vacation rules that will allow 20+ off in a month with less than a week vacation. Golden days to protect birthdays anniversaries etc. Scope. Reserve rules with several industry leading provisions and no junior manning unlike most every other airline. 5:15/ adg. Need I go on? This is a quantam leap over current rules.
09-28-2022 | 12:27 PM
#144
On Reserve
Joined: May 2022
Posts: 114
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From: 737 CA
Why does everyone keep saying this as if it's a BAD THING?? Ohh nooo delta might beat our rates by 5 dollars poor us. We have a snap up. It would be a GREAT THING. I hope they get 700/hr for goodness sake.
09-28-2022 | 12:27 PM
#145
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 694
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No. The average snap up is for carriers who have new contracts. Alaska comes out the gate with $306. DL comes out at $315, UA comes out with $320? You get $317.50. Wasn’t the company offering $280 TOS less than a year ago? Alaska coming out of the gate first as the 6th biggest airline with these rates creates the BASE of where the big 5 are going to start negotiating, because even the big 3 demand a premium which is subsided by widebody flying. The snap up does not include carriers in negotiations. Did you read the TA at all? Are you willing to blow up your entire TA to go back to the table to make an extra $160/mo? I have a feeling your $318 at year 2 will be $330 and year 3 will be around $345.
09-28-2022 | 12:40 PM
#146
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Joined: Mar 2022
Posts: 258
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I did read the TA summary, and listened to the podcasts. As you explain it, is not the way it’s written. It's the average of 5 airlines. UA, DL, WN, AA. JB (IF they have an agreement) By Sept. 1, '23. 3 of those airlines are closer to a TA than 2 of them. 3 of them would have to exceed $350 in the next 11 months for us to see a bump above our 4% increase for Sept, '23. You're trying to tell me that if DL gets a big rate increase within 11 mos. we get a rate increase, even if the other 4 are still negotiating? Nope. It'll be an average of 4 airlines (JB excluded) in which case we get our sub inflationary 4%. If I'm wrong in understanding this, please show me.
09-28-2022 | 01:09 PM
#147
Thread Starter
Banned
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,112
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Now it's an excuse.
09-28-2022 | 01:33 PM
#148
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 694
Likes: 0
ahhh, what? I'm not asking you anything, I'm telling you your interpretation is incorrect. If you have info contrary to this. Tell me about it. Sounds like you dont.
09-28-2022 | 01:52 PM
#149
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 9,348
Likes: 331
It’s not an excuse. There’s no point stalling on purpose on our end simply because no other airline has gone first.
I got salt for saying I’d be happy with $320/hr and was accused of undermining our union. I’ll be honest, when a fellow CA txt me asking what I thought the DOS rate would be, I said 300-305. That was my realist answer.
I got salt for saying I’d be happy with $320/hr and was accused of undermining our union. I’ll be honest, when a fellow CA txt me asking what I thought the DOS rate would be, I said 300-305. That was my realist answer.
09-28-2022 | 01:54 PM
#150
On Reserve
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Yes I hope so. Im voting yes. Great overall contract with rules that work together to greatly improve everything especially QOL, reserve, scheduling and scope. I don’t want to wait for an unknown period of time for another TA with an unknown value.
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