More top notch recruitment right here.

 

Not only is it not a snap up, it's clearly designed to ensure we only ever see 4% annually. Which is below the forecast 6% inflation. They increased the comparison airlines to 5, 2 of which are nowhere close to having agreements. Rough math would put the top 3 airlines all having to have somewhere in the ball park of $347-$350 TOS on or before DOS+1. For AS to get an increase above 4%. If the bottom two don't raise the bar and if JB is not counted, the top 3 all have to be in the arena of $340/hr by DOS+1. This would have to occur before Sept 1st 2023. So in 11 mos., 3 of our comparison airlines need to negotiate rates that are $30/hr higher than ours. Something the yes voters seem to think is an impossibility due to the impending recession but somehow also tout the, "snap up", as being a viable provision..... I agree with you outsiders looking in. We're leaving too much money on the table. We made big gains in Scope and Scheduling, namely because we had squat in either area to begin with. I find no reason we have to compromise in any section to make these gains. We had 1500 at the picket, a 99% strike vote and we need to follow it up by sending this TA back and delivering a mandate stating that the days of the Alaska discount are over.

 

Guys our MEC and NC have been in touch with every other property out there No one is blindsided by our rates. Rates for 2022 305-310 range, 2023 320-335 range… The whole idea that we are impacting any other properties negotiations is empirically false. Most on here don’t understand where the market really is or where their NC really is. It’s called pattern bargaining and we all working together to improve every carriers pay and quality of life. Within a year we will all have very similar if not the exact same hourly rate, this is the mission and goal. No more pilot funded airlines!
I believe all the big six will have a NB rate of 335, by late 2023. I know that is way to low for the heavy hitters on here, but right now that looks like where we are all really going.

 

You edited your 2023 scale from 325-335 to now 320-335. Maybe that was an error or maybe you realized your original scale showed too much Alaska discount. Either way, if there is a know scale being negotiated by 5 other NC's why does ours fall outside of that scale? In your first draft, our '23 scale was $7 less or roughly 3% less than the BOTTOM of this range and $17 less or roughly 5.5% below the top. Why are we not squarely in the middle, if not the top of this range? Why are we compromising our rates, or anything for that matter, to bring our scope and work rules up par? Stuff we should have had decades ago. Rates aren't everything but this is just one more way the company shows us what they really think of us. We deserve better. This "snap up" WILL NOT bring our rates above 4% annually, especially if your stated range is in fact what's being negotiated. We will be below inflation for the next 3-6 years again. Especially if we're not going to hold them accountable on retro. We cannot count on other companies to do our heavy lifting. We have to stand firm and do it ourselves.

 

We honestly had the farthest to go, combined with the most significant hurdles… we needed to go first. From this point others have a starting point to better. National has carefully constructed snap ups to protect all parties. In the current pilot environment, our scarcity alone is probably sufficient. We have all seen this at the regional level, if any one is too far behind, management has to fix the disparity or they will not be able to retain or attract. Be angry, vote no, watch the magic, we finally hold all the cards as a group. Maybe if we stayed off each other’s boards, trusted our own MECs and NCs, we would realize we are all in this together, we are all in good hands. Their are a few out there with unrealistic expectations though.

 

^^^^^^^This.

 

This "snap up" won't save us from only getting 4%. JB and SW are pretty far off from getting anything. The top 3 will have to exceed $350 within the next 11 months for the average to cancel out the bottom two. These rates will be ours to own for the next 6 years, maybe longer. For years I've heard 99% of this group say we're never again going to accept 5% less. Now guys are tripping over their deeks to do just that. Inflation calculators have your 2019, $266/hr rate at $308 today. Do you believe you're worth $2 less than a mere inflation bump? If you really, truly, believe we hold all the cards, why are we settling for rates below a known range? Send it back and be confident in your Royal Flush.

 

Well said.

 

Why are you so hung up on ‘pay rates’? There is a multitude of ways to make way more pay in this TA, whether on reserve or a line holder. Last year it was all “we want scope and work rules”. You got that that, and now suddenly at the 1yd line its “Pay rates & more Retro”…

Guess what, you can’t have your cake and eat it too…it’s called negotiations, and I think our MEC/NC did each and everything they could fight for in negotiations.

 

Exactly. I'll easily be making 15-20% more with the work rules on top of the raise. Some people have the inability to look past a number. They'll still be furiously typing away on apc while the rest of us will be finding clever ways to take advantage of the new rules.