SAN Base opening, finally…
12-15-2025 | 11:12 PM
#451
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Yeah, Scott Day was in my Alaska kool-aid class(I mean clubhouse Hawaiian CQ ground school) telling us how their goal from 5 years ago was to have 300 aircraft by the end of 2025. He played it off as if they almost met that goal, and would have if it were not for the door blowing off a MAX. The part he glazed over was that it took buying an airline with 60 aircraft to ALMOST hit that number. The lack of desire to grow is one of many reasons I never wanted to end up at Alaska. I'm stuck here now, trying to make the best of it, but boy is it hard.
12-16-2025 | 04:35 AM
#452
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Yeah, Scott Day was in my Alaska kool-aid class(I mean clubhouse Hawaiian CQ ground school) telling us how their goal from 5 years ago was to have 300 aircraft by the end of 2025. He played it off as if they almost met that goal, and would have if it were not for the door blowing off a MAX. The part he glazed over was that it took buying an airline with 60 aircraft to ALMOST hit that number. The lack of desire to grow is one of many reasons I never wanted to end up at Alaska. I'm stuck here now, trying to make the best of it, but boy is it hard.
12-16-2025 | 06:41 AM
#453
Your ball struck my foot.
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The only scenario where you'd be forced to downgrade is if senior FOs who have delayed upgrading decide that now is their time. They've waited, they've gone without the big captain paycheck, and their decision allowed you to be where you are right now. Would you deny them their due to preserve your seat? They are senior to you.
12-16-2025 | 07:46 AM
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The only scenario where you'd be forced to downgrade is if senior FOs who have delayed upgrading decide that now is their time. They've waited, they've gone without the big captain paycheck, and their decision allowed you to be where you are right now. Would you deny them their due to preserve your seat? They are senior to you.
Working for an airline that grows instead of retreating from one market to another and likely retreating again is the issue.
In other words it would be nice if the bid to open SAN was actually growth. Not by displacing pilots from two bases. Not a reduction of 10-20 captains systemwide via retirements.
I don’t imagine we will ever see real organic growth like that while working for this airline. And everyone is so gaslit into believing the only way to grow is by acquiring other airlines that we have questions like yours. I don’t want to deny anyone anything. I want to work for an airline that grows organically with rear opportunities.
12-16-2025 | 08:25 AM
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It’s a seniority system. They can do what they want within that system.
Working for an airline that grows instead of retreating from one market to another and likely retreating again is the issue.
In other words it would be nice if the bid to open SAN was actually growth. Not by displacing pilots from two bases. Not a reduction of 10-20 captains systemwide via retirements.
I don’t imagine we will ever see real organic growth like that while working for this airline. And everyone is so gaslit into believing the only way to grow is by acquiring other airlines that we have questions like yours. I don’t want to deny anyone anything. I want to work for an airline that grows organically with rear opportunities.
Working for an airline that grows instead of retreating from one market to another and likely retreating again is the issue.
In other words it would be nice if the bid to open SAN was actually growth. Not by displacing pilots from two bases. Not a reduction of 10-20 captains systemwide via retirements.
I don’t imagine we will ever see real organic growth like that while working for this airline. And everyone is so gaslit into believing the only way to grow is by acquiring other airlines that we have questions like yours. I don’t want to deny anyone anything. I want to work for an airline that grows organically with rear opportunities.
12-16-2025 | 08:36 AM
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It’s a seniority system. They can do what they want within that system.
Working for an airline that grows instead of retreating from one market to another and likely retreating again is the issue.
In other words it would be nice if the bid to open SAN was actually growth. Not by displacing pilots from two bases. Not a reduction of 10-20 captains systemwide via retirements.
I don’t imagine we will ever see real organic growth like that while working for this airline. And everyone is so gaslit into believing the only way to grow is by acquiring other airlines that we have questions like yours. I don’t want to deny anyone anything. I want to work for an airline that grows organically with rear opportunities.
Working for an airline that grows instead of retreating from one market to another and likely retreating again is the issue.
In other words it would be nice if the bid to open SAN was actually growth. Not by displacing pilots from two bases. Not a reduction of 10-20 captains systemwide via retirements.
I don’t imagine we will ever see real organic growth like that while working for this airline. And everyone is so gaslit into believing the only way to grow is by acquiring other airlines that we have questions like yours. I don’t want to deny anyone anything. I want to work for an airline that grows organically with rear opportunities.
12-16-2025 | 08:44 AM
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12-16-2025 | 10:35 AM
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12-16-2025 | 10:42 AM
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
The only scenario where you'd be forced to downgrade is if senior FOs who have delayed upgrading decide that now is their time. They've waited, they've gone without the big captain paycheck, and their decision allowed you to be where you are right now. Would you deny them their due to preserve your seat? They are senior to you.
12-16-2025 | 10:44 AM
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Public Service Announcement:
Listen to the new union podcast before bidding (or not bidding) in this system bid, if you're remotely junior. There are some potential gotchas in how it all works.
Listen to the new union podcast before bidding (or not bidding) in this system bid, if you're remotely junior. There are some potential gotchas in how it all works.
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