SAN Base opening, finally…
12-16-2025 | 11:07 AM
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The problem is in the past several bids the most junior awarded Capt has been in the 2007-2017 DOH range, whereas the most junior Capt on property is a 2019 hire. Therein lies the issue. The assumption is more senior FOs will take vacancies, most SAN will be filled with SFO/SEA, but there’s still a chance that reductions need to be processed. Those CAs can then go into other bases like SEA and push out the bottom guys. The concerning zone would be current CAs with a DOH 2018-2019.
12-16-2025 | 11:23 AM
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Vacancies are awarded first, and then reductions processed - if any still needed. Any reduced position bidding out to a vacancy fulfills the reduction requirement.
The problem is in the past several bids the most junior awarded Capt has been in the 2007-2017 DOH range, whereas the most junior Capt on property is a 2019 hire. Therein lies the issue. The assumption is more senior FOs will take vacancies, most SAN will be filled with SFO/SEA, but there’s still a chance that reductions need to be processed. Those CAs can then go into other bases like SEA and push out the bottom guys. The concerning zone would be current CAs with a DOH 2018-2019.
The problem is in the past several bids the most junior awarded Capt has been in the 2007-2017 DOH range, whereas the most junior Capt on property is a 2019 hire. Therein lies the issue. The assumption is more senior FOs will take vacancies, most SAN will be filled with SFO/SEA, but there’s still a chance that reductions need to be processed. Those CAs can then go into other bases like SEA and push out the bottom guys. The concerning zone would be current CAs with a DOH 2018-2019.
12-16-2025 | 11:39 AM
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Then again, I’m just an observer from 3k miles away.
12-16-2025 | 12:15 PM
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I just listened to the Alaska podcast to get some insight into this bid and it was very insightful. Seems like a lot of things would have to happen for somebody to get displaced from their position if they aren’t LAX or SFO based. It’s not like a Senior SEA FO can just decide they want SEA captain and can bump the Junior SEA captain out of his seat. More Senior LAX and SFO pilots could displace a junior captain. Sh*! Flows down hill, but I don’t think it’s a flash flood in this case.
Then again, I’m just an observer from 3k miles away.
Then again, I’m just an observer from 3k miles away.
12-16-2025 | 12:24 PM
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SEA, ANC, and PDX have no displacements in this bid, so nobody junior can be kicked out of those bases. Awards into those vacancies will have to be senior to the most junior pilot in each seat. This bid will be messy and wild, though, as there is a likelihood that this creates vacancies in all of these bases. For instance, if PDX CAs and FOs bid into SAN, it creates vacancies in PDX for pilots to bid into, even though there are no published vacancies in PDX. Still, though, anyone bidding for either seat in PDX would have to be senior to the most junior pilot in a given seat.
12-16-2025 | 01:11 PM
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I should have specified. Nobody is being kicked out of those bases by people upgrading who were previously FOs. Yes if somebody senior is displaced, they go where they can hold at that point.
12-16-2025 | 01:14 PM
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SEA, ANC, and PDX have no displacements in this bid, so nobody junior can be kicked out of those bases. Awards into those vacancies will have to be senior to the most junior pilot in each seat. This bid will be messy and wild, though, as there is a likelihood that this creates vacancies in all of these bases. For instance, if PDX CAs and FOs bid into SAN, it creates vacancies in PDX for pilots to bid into, even though there are no published vacancies in PDX. Still, though, anyone bidding for either seat in PDX would have to be senior to the most junior pilot in a given seat.
Not as extreme, but there’s still a few in SFO that could be displaced and pick Seattle as their base and displayed the most junior Seattle captain
Or Portland or whatever their seniority holds as long as they are more senior to the most junior pilot in that base
Any base is up for grabs not every single position is safe in a certain base
12-16-2025 | 01:21 PM
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incorrect the most junior captain in LA is senior to the most junior captain in Seattle so in theory if all 37 displaced LAX captions wanted to go to Seattle they would displace the bottom 37 captains in Seattle
Not as extreme, but there’s still a few in SFO that could be displaced and pick Seattle as their base and displayed the most junior Seattle captain
Or Portland or whatever their seniority holds as long as they are more senior to the most junior pilot in that base
Any base is up for grabs not every single position is safe in a certain base
Not as extreme, but there’s still a few in SFO that could be displaced and pick Seattle as their base and displayed the most junior Seattle captain
Or Portland or whatever their seniority holds as long as they are more senior to the most junior pilot in that base
Any base is up for grabs not every single position is safe in a certain base
12-16-2025 | 01:21 PM
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Listen to the new union podcast before bidding (or not bidding) in this system bid, if you're remotely junior. There are some potential gotchas in how it all works.
12-16-2025 | 02:46 PM
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Your ball struck my foot.
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I don’t imagine we will ever see real organic growth like that while working for this airline. And everyone is so gaslit into believing the only way to grow is by acquiring other airlines that we have questions like yours. I don’t want to deny anyone anything. I want to work for an airline that grows organically with rear opportunities.
Gaslit, lol.
Alaska Mangement: "We can't grow due to increase sales so we'll just trick all the pilots by buying another airline, and we'll just *tell* them it's organic. They'll never know the difference."
Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly how that went down. Whenever they came to a question of what to do, they defaulted to what would bother you the most.
The opportunities are there, brother. It's not Alaska's fault that you don't like the wrapping paper.
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