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12-20-2025 | 11:43 AM
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12-20-2025 | 12:03 PM
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12-20-2025 | 12:06 PM
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I don’t see where it says what year you’d upgrade what tab is it under I see what I would be in a differnt base but not projected upgrade, I’m too junior to hold ca anyway but where do you see that I’d be interested to see
insee where it shows my EOY senior but nothing that says you’ll be able to upgrade at this year
insee where it shows my EOY senior but nothing that says you’ll be able to upgrade at this year
12-20-2025 | 02:17 PM
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I was messing around with the one that one guy made on the other forum an I saw the upgrade feature which is pretty cool. the non union one made by the guy has that function. But he rest of his site lacks behind unions, and UI ain’t as nice. the unions one is way better with seeing where’d you be and the commute tool is cool. But on the one the guy built there’s a upgrade when can I hold, guess 2028 I can CA 🤪
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12-20-2025 | 10:31 PM
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The 717's are apparently long of tooth, so they probably need to go sooner rather than later.
But the 321's can hang out for quite a while, I don't think they're going to cut off their nose to spite their face. They can keep the 321's as long as they need the lift. If there was a big downturn, like another covid or big recession they'd get parked on Jan 1st. If things keep humming along they might last 15 years, or however long it takes BCA to deliver the hulls they need with the desired fuselage stretch.
But the 321's can hang out for quite a while, I don't think they're going to cut off their nose to spite their face. They can keep the 321's as long as they need the lift. If there was a big downturn, like another covid or big recession they'd get parked on Jan 1st. If things keep humming along they might last 15 years, or however long it takes BCA to deliver the hulls they need with the desired fuselage stretch.
”Get us in front of the line or we will go with Brand X” will carry some weight. If Boeing pulls it off, the 321 is gone. If they don’t, then perhaps it will stick around for a minute or two.
12-21-2025 | 07:43 AM
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If nothing else, the NEO fleet is a good bargaining chip down the road when Boeing inevitably $#!+$ the bed with the MAX10. Remember the thing has to be certified, but also DELIVERED in sufficient quantities to cover the gaps if the 321 is sold. The fleet runs efficient schedules these days which are quite full, and remember they are mostly owned outright or on good lease / “mortgage” terms, and yes share quite a bit of support structure with the A330.
”Get us in front of the line or we will go with Brand X” will carry some weight. If Boeing pulls it off, the 321 is gone. If they don’t, then perhaps it will stick around for a minute or two.
”Get us in front of the line or we will go with Brand X” will carry some weight. If Boeing pulls it off, the 321 is gone. If they don’t, then perhaps it will stick around for a minute or two.
12-21-2025 | 08:37 AM
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I think Ben and Shane would be open to airbus philosophically. But I'm sure they get a lot peer pressure in the SEA executive ecosystem since everything there has deep boeing roots, going back generations.
Also airbus generally cost more up front, which is always a sticking point with AS.
Also airbus generally cost more up front, which is always a sticking point with AS.
12-21-2025 | 02:56 PM
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I think Ben and Shane would be open to airbus philosophically. But I'm sure they get a lot peer pressure in the SEA executive ecosystem since everything there has deep boeing roots, going back generations.
Also airbus generally cost more up front, which is always a sticking point with AS.
Also airbus generally cost more up front, which is always a sticking point with AS.
A man can dream. But as a realist yes, everyone knows we will be a small fleet of 787s for a long while, a small fleet of 330s for a less long while, and a bunch of 737s till the advent of passenger drones.
12-21-2025 | 05:38 PM
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True. But planes you already own cost nothing up front, yes?
A man can dream. But as a realist yes, everyone knows we will be a small fleet of 787s for a long while, a small fleet of 330s for a less long while, and a bunch of 737s till the advent of passenger drones.
A man can dream. But as a realist yes, everyone knows we will be a small fleet of 787s for a long while, a small fleet of 330s for a less long while, and a bunch of 737s till the advent of passenger drones.
12-21-2025 | 08:53 PM
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The real reason they will be staying around is that they can't be replaced by a Boeing in any realistic timeframe. If the 787 didn't have such a backlog, they would be gone fast.
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