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02-02-2026 | 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jetlikespeed

5 involuntary and we’d have to count by hand but it was 5 total out of 82 captain displacements

the bid total had 102 captain vaccines but that means 25 senior FOs were senior to those captains that’s why they got downgraded at AS there’s no already in seat protection. When we have a postion bid it just Stright seniorty

however if you are involuntary displaced or downgraded there is no seat lock

normal seat lock for upgrade or downgrade is 2 years

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Originally Posted by GoodJet

I can’t be bothered to check but I believe that 40 captains and 40 FOs were displaced out of SFO and LAX on the last bid. This will occur again in 2026 to fill the remaining vacancies in SAN. To what extent no one knows.

Ok. Thanks. 5 involuntary doesn’t sound bad, but as you say it’s only a part of the story.

02-02-2026 | 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres

Ok. Thanks. 5 involuntary doesn’t sound bad, but as you say it’s only a part of the story.

there is another bid in a few months to grow the San base, will be another 12% about in each sfo and lax an email in Dec said Shrik lax and sfo by 20-25% over 2 bids but we don’t know if there will be more captain vaccines like in the last one in this next SAN bid.

02-02-2026 | 06:57 AM

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word302

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Originally Posted by Jetlikespeed

That’s not quite correct. Involuntary downgrades can only happen when there’s a reduction. Normal bid FOs can’t displace captains.

02-02-2026 | 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by word302

That’s not quite correct. Involuntary downgrades can only happen when there’s a reduction. Normal bid FOs can’t displace captains.

Correct. Even if you're senior to some captains, you can only bid for vacant CA slots. 5 CA vacancies means the five most (global) senior bidders get them (whether current CA's or senior FO's), and that's it, even if 500 people bid for the slots.

SAN opening did not cause any downgrades, it was the reductions in LAX/SFO that did that.

02-02-2026 | 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

We have another round of LAX/SFO reductions to go with a targeted October effective date.

02-02-2026 | 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GoodJet

We have another round of LAX/SFO reductions to go with a targeted October effective date.

Also about 40 more SAN CA's? My swag is that there aren't going to be enough senior FO's come out of the woodwork to displace anyone else from the left seat, assuming they're willing to commute for that sweet $ and junior schedules.

02-02-2026 | 09:40 AM

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I have zero predictions regarding downgrades this time around. 2026 we did see downgrades but thankfully it hasn’t been bad so far. However, I’m slowly watching that cliff getting closer and closer. It would be nice to see this trend reverse but I have zero datapoints to show that will happen this year or next.