SAN went junior with another large bid planned for the near future. There were presumably some senior folks taking a wait and see approach on the first bid, but given that there were about ten unfilled FO slots, with I think another 40 more planned I would expect SAN to go junior on the FO side.

There might be some OO people applying to AS specifically for that base too, we won't have visibility on such new hires until June though, aside from rumor mill.

 

BNE was lost Jan 2022, and was not destined to be lost until the Flu hit and service never came back. The point is it was a factor in the 330 fleet model. As was ICN, AUS, NRT,BOS, AKL not so much MCO because that was just the only major city open that year. Seemed dangerous to fly there given where Hawaiian is based, but we did anyway. Very strange.

Anyone who thinks all those destinations leaving and being replaced by soon to be 787 SEA- international pairings, or additional HNL-SEA pairings that won’t be around long term or a few additional frequencies to West Coast cities ( while profitable airlines fly narrow bodies) may still be believing everything you’re being told.

I’ll stand by my opinion the 330 will shrink or have a 2nd mainland base. Not enough flying to justify 24 in HNL. During those management Zoom calls, there is no way management is going to disclose any sort of plan to the rank and file other than what is already disclosed to the public. Especially plans that affect SEC filings. I doubt AS is going to go with $100-200million losses on this side of the equation long term. The State of Hawaii is still sliding backwards economy wise, not the other way around. Those assets, depending, on long term AS plans, could be utilized in places that either promote tourism or have much larger business travel environments.

The 330’s are going to be refurbished according to the calls. Has anyone seen the newest HA interiors sketch? (Maybe it’s out there and ai have not seen it) Typically they are promoted with much fanfare. I suspect they will be similar to the 787 SEA interiors.

 

I’ve always wondered why Hawaiian never went to HKG. I was based there in a prior life, and it’s probably one of the busiest airports in Asia. United pretty much operates the market and keeps adding flights since no one else really wants it. I believe Delta is actually going back in June from LAX.

 

There were only 2 SEA vacancies on the last position bid and those were already taken by new hires. SAN, SFO, and LAX are the only other options. SAN has not gone to any new hires.

 

SAN can’t till June so I’m not totally sure how that will work for those vacancies

 

New hires will be given SAN in classes this month since it takes us 4+ months to make a pilot.

 

The pilots getting displaced out of SFO and LAX will fill SAN vacancies.

 

How many were involuntary and which base had more, LAX or SFO?

 

5 involuntary and we’d have to count by hand but it was 5 total out of 82 captain displacements

the bid total had 102 captain vaccines but that means 25 senior FOs were senior to those captains that’s why they got downgraded at AS there’s no already in seat protection. When we have a postion bid it just Stright seniorty

however if you are involuntary displaced or downgraded there is no seat lock

normal seat lock for upgrade or downgrade is 2 years

 

I can’t be bothered to check but I believe that 40 captains and 40 FOs were displaced out of SFO and LAX on the last bid. This will occur again in 2026 to fill the remaining vacancies in SAN. To what extent no one knows.