Alaska Air Hiring
11-27-2017, 06:20 PM
#2651
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Originally Posted by seattlepilot
OO won't be able to fly CS300 currently , it violates the scope of their other codeshare partners.
Now, if they go and buy the VX AOC and then operate it under their holding, that's a different story. Then responsability falls under the OO pilots in terms of scope violation. We know how much of a kool-aid drinker they are though..
Now, if they go and buy the VX AOC and then operate it under their holding, that's a different story. Then responsability falls under the OO pilots in terms of scope violation. We know how much of a kool-aid drinker they are though..
11-27-2017, 06:34 PM
#2652
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Originally Posted by waterboy
Couldn’t they transfer all current flying on express jet over to Skywest, then fly it under the Expressjet cert?
11-27-2017, 08:54 PM
#2653
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All it takes is a team of attorneys and a check to "get around" the issue that you mentioned re: OO and their supposed inability to fly the CS300. Just like the line from Jurassic Park: "Life finds a way..." The same principle applies here...AS management will find a way to make it happen...make no mistake about it. Additionally for those of you who'll claim "QX and OO won't find pilots" think again, they always do, somehow.
The CS300 can fly 3,300NM and is perfect for long and thin routes such as SEA-SAV, SEA-BDL, SEA-JAX etc and is an ideal airplane for SE Alaska and the Arctic flying. Why pay mainline AS costs when you can do it for 50%-60% less with QX and OO?
Either AS pilots fly the CS300 et al and accept no or minimal work rule improvements in Contract 2020, PBS on AS management's terms and agree to do away with the pre merger AS DB plan or these airplanes will go to OO/QX. Management's leverage over us in Contract 2020 comes in this form...they refused to negotiate on scope this last round for a reason.
If you're not alarmed about the lack of scope at this airline you should start to worry. Remember, we work for Alaska Air Group, not Alaska Airlines...the BoD and management do what is best for Alaska Air Group and if that means growing QX and OO so be it.
The CS300 can fly 3,300NM and is perfect for long and thin routes such as SEA-SAV, SEA-BDL, SEA-JAX etc and is an ideal airplane for SE Alaska and the Arctic flying. Why pay mainline AS costs when you can do it for 50%-60% less with QX and OO?
Either AS pilots fly the CS300 et al and accept no or minimal work rule improvements in Contract 2020, PBS on AS management's terms and agree to do away with the pre merger AS DB plan or these airplanes will go to OO/QX. Management's leverage over us in Contract 2020 comes in this form...they refused to negotiate on scope this last round for a reason.
If you're not alarmed about the lack of scope at this airline you should start to worry. Remember, we work for Alaska Air Group, not Alaska Airlines...the BoD and management do what is best for Alaska Air Group and if that means growing QX and OO so be it.
11-28-2017, 06:04 AM
#2654
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Originally Posted by snackysmores
Whatever scheme they tried, the end result would be the same... P!ssing off DAL and UA. If it was going to happen Qx would likely be the ones getting them.
Also, I think the regional industry is cruising for a bruising... positive growth trends plus negative recruiting trends is a bad combo. Might get interesting when the latest barrel scrapings upgrade in a year or two. Smart regional managers are probably going to need to temper their own growth opportunities, for operational risk management reasons. Smart mainline managers will keep a close eye on the chances that regionals are taking with their brand.
11-29-2017, 10:06 AM
#2656
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Originally Posted by GoVandals
Has anyone heard back following the current application window?
Just slow down and chill out. You'll live longer.
11-29-2017, 11:36 AM
#2657
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Originally Posted by GoVandals
Has anyone heard back following the current application window?
Take the vandals current losing streak. Times it by 3 and that's about how many months it takes for AS to get back to you.
12-02-2017, 04:33 PM
#2659
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Originally Posted by Wynncore
...Either AS pilots fly the CS300 et al and accept no or minimal work rule improvements in Contract 2020, PBS on AS management's terms and agree to do away with the pre merger AS DB plan or these airplanes will go to OO/QX. Management's leverage over us in Contract 2020 comes in this form...they refused to negotiate on scope this last round for a reason.
Most people around here don’t seem to understand that not getting any scope this time around not only left us without job protection, but also eliminated any potential leverage the pilots may have had for 2020 “negotiation”.
12-02-2017, 04:38 PM
#2660
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Originally Posted by Flitestar
This ^^^^
Most people around here don’t seem to understand that not getting any scope this time around not only left us without job protection, but also eliminated any potential leverage the pilots may have had for 2020 “negotiation”.
Most people around here don’t seem to understand that not getting any scope this time around not only left us without job protection, but also eliminated any potential leverage the pilots may have had for 2020 “negotiation”.
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