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Old 12-03-2017, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Wynncore View Post
I don't follow your logic? Without ANY scope protection AS management can place the CS300 et al with OO or QX without even negotiating with us in the first place.
Not exactly. My point is, there is no arbitration to rule in 2020. If the pilot group is unified and wants it bad enough, scope will be achieved.

I don't think we give enough credit to the ramifications of violating basic universal scope recognized by ALPA and every domestic airline. I am not saying they won't do it, but lets really appreciate the severity of doing so from an industry standpoint.
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Old 12-03-2017, 08:11 PM
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Not exactly. My point is, there is no arbitration to rule in 2020. If the pilot group is unified and wants it bad enough, scope will be achieved.

I don't think we give enough credit to the ramifications of violating basic universal scope recognized by ALPA and every domestic airline. I am not saying they won't do it, but lets really appreciate the severity of doing so from an industry standpoint.
I appreciate the way in which you are looking at it, I really do. I want to think along the same lines but regardless of how united we are I truly think that our management team would rather see the company burn down than to ever allow scope on property. Never in the history of this company has it operated under any scope provisions and from the way they have most recently acted they aren't planning on having scope on property for a very long time, if ever.

You are right though, perhaps it can be worked out in a negotiation which brings me back to my original point: It will be worked out on their terms and AFTER we accept minimal (or no) pay improvements, minimal (or no) work rule improvements, PBS on their terms and a pilot wide vote to get rid of the pre merger AS DB plan. Sadly, even if we accept all of that they still could place the CS300 et al with a regional partner.

They hold all the leverage and have demonstrated they are willing to take this company over the edge "to prove a point."
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Old 12-03-2017, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Wynncore View Post
I appreciate the way in which you are looking at it, I really do. I want to think along the same lines but regardless of how united we are I truly think that our management team would rather see the company burn down than to ever allow scope on property. Never in the history of this company has it operated under any scope provisions and from the way they have most recently acted they aren't planning on having scope on property for a very long time, if ever.

You are right though, perhaps it can be worked out in a negotiation which brings me back to my original point: It will be worked out on their terms and AFTER we accept minimal (or no) pay improvements, minimal (or no) work rule improvements, PBS on their terms and a pilot wide vote to get rid of the pre merger AS DB plan. Sadly, even if we accept all of that they still could place the CS300 et al with a regional partner.

They hold all the leverage and have demonstrated they are willing to take this company over the edge "to prove a point."
You are speaking in hyperbole, right?

"I truly think that our management team would rather see the company burn down than to ever allow scope on property

A company that is paying almost a 2% dividend, and has made over $800M per year over that last 2 years, and boasts about industry leading profit margins of over 20%, would rather burn this place down?

Its that attitude that has kept Alaska Management succesful in keeping scope out of all previous CBAs.
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Old 12-04-2017, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by waterboy View Post
You are speaking in hyperbole, right?

"I truly think that our management team would rather see the company burn down than to ever allow scope on property

A company that is paying almost a 2% dividend, and has made over $800M per year over that last 2 years, and boasts about industry leading profit margins of over 20%, would rather burn this place down?

Its that attitude that has kept Alaska Management succesful in keeping scope out of all previous CBAs.
Yes, I am speaking in hyperbole. My point was moreso that I believe management is willing to accept lower operational performance and a potentially permanently damaged relationship with its pilot group in order to keep scope off property, amongst other things.

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Old 12-04-2017, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Wynncore View Post
Yes, I am speaking in hyperbole. My point was moreso that I believe management is willing to accept lower operational performance and a potentially permanently damaged relationship with its pilot group in order to keep scope off property, amongst other things.

It has to be voted in, and by the time we get to it. Most of the yes men will hopefully be gone. Like skank in the crow says.
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Old 12-04-2017, 05:42 PM
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Has anyone heard anything from the last application window yet?
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Old 12-04-2017, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by IABtankertoad View Post
Has anyone heard anything from the last application window yet?
Dude.

I refer you to this one and subsequent replies.
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Dude.

I refer you to this one and subsequent replies.
But but but. He wants to be an Alaska pilot like right meow. BTW toad your name isn't Bill is it?
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Old 12-04-2017, 09:37 PM
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I feel sorry for him. Hes probably a mil guy completely clueless about the 121 world. He needs to set his sights higher, unless his goal is to be at the bottom of a rudderless ship
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But but but. He wants to be an Alaska pilot like right meow.
I'm pushing 50 and should be in a bigger hurry than anyone to get to wherever I'm finally going to land. But if there is anything I've learned in the four years I've been applying to Alaska and doing all of those things that are supposed to get you hired, it is that it simply doesn't pay to get in a hurry with this company. You can have multiple ins and it can still take years to get a call, if the call ever comes at all.

Just chill. You will live happier.
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