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Old 03-28-2019, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
Consider what the senior people allowed and accepted.:

1. The B-scale
2. MEC ratification of contracts
3. Jet A merger
4. 92%/no strike clause
6. Kasherstration

And you really expect them to give up either what they have now and/or negotiating capital for the junior 15% on reserve or people who voluntarily commute?

Don't hold your breath.
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Old 03-28-2019, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
Consider what the senior people lived through:

1. The B-scale
2. MEC ratification of contracts
3. Jet A merger
4. 92%/no strike clause
5. 9/11
6. Kasherstration

And you really expect them to give up either what they have now and/or negotiating capital for the junior 15% on reserve or people who voluntarily commute?

Don't hold your breath.
This is the exact same attitude as to why we have what we have today---a gigantic turd. "I got screwed and lived through it, so should you; I paid my dues!" mentality needs to go. This vicious cycle needs to stop now. With the exception of the Jet A merger, I've been through them all. Jet A was a hip & cool little airline with attractive FAs but a dead end job. Acquisition by the eskimo was the best career event that happened to Jet A employees. Also, let's not forget that none of Jet A pilots spent over a decade in the right seat, many of those years on reserve--not even close. Let's not forget the junior captains who had just upgraded then were downgraded due to Kasher, resulting in 50%+ paycut overnight. By screwing the junior guys through dividing and conquering, you are just another company puppet dressed like a pilot. Apathy and short term memory loss kills in this profession!
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Old 03-28-2019, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
Consider what the senior people lived through:

1. The B-scale
2. MEC ratification of contracts
3. Jet A merger
4. 92%/no strike clause
5. 9/11
6. Kasherstration

And you really expect them to give up either what they have now and/or negotiating capital for the junior 15% on reserve or people who voluntarily commute?

Don't hold your breath.
Packrat is a broken record that doesnít work here but continuously spews about giving in to anglers so obviously heís very credible. Thank you for moving on!
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Old 03-28-2019, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 View Post
First year or two Of VX existence it was absolutely true. And yes the rate was $95 an hour. Go ask LJ, he will straighten you out.
Wrong again it never happened that way.
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Old 03-28-2019, 08:51 PM
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Wrong again it never happened that way.
It doesn't matter if you are wrong or absurd, he is taking plays from the management playbook. Just say it while you are playing Maclemore in the background and it suddenly become true.
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Old 03-29-2019, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
Consider what the senior people lived through:

1. The B-scale
2. MEC ratification of contracts
3. Jet A merger
4. 92%/no strike clause
5. 9/11
6. Kasherstration

And you really expect them to give up either what they have now and/or negotiating capital for the junior 15% on reserve or people who voluntarily commute?

Don't hold your breath.

Someone put me out of my misery if Iím still trolling forums after I retire.
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Old 03-29-2019, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by IFlyNFish View Post
Someone put me out of my misery if Iím still trolling forums after I retire.
Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.
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Old 03-29-2019, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.
What are you smoking in your retirement? Three of the biggest items on there, the B-scale, the MEC ratification and the no strike clause are examples of one group screwing over the other for profit. Now youíre arguing that the senior guys should get theirs and screw the junior guys. So what exactly have you learned from history?
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Old 03-30-2019, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.


We all learn quickly how bad the past has had an effect on our current contract. And we donít need to read this forum to understand that.

I have much more hope for the future than anything the past has provided.

I stand by my comment.
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Old 03-30-2019, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Back2future View Post
What are you smoking in your retirement? Three of the biggest items on there, the B-scale, the MEC ratification and the no strike clause are examples of one group screwing over the other for profit. Now you’re arguing that the senior guys should get theirs and screw the junior guys. So what exactly have you learned from history?
Not at all, you're not getting it. That's what happened in the past and an illustration of the "old" mindset. I always hoped that when the new hires, the Kasherstrated and now the VXers became 51% of the voters that mindset would be allocated to the ash heap of history.

That's EXACTLY why my MEC got rid of MEC ratification and switched the ALPA rudder to Membership ratification.

Now its up to YOU to be proactive, demand what YOU want from YOUR LEC and MEC reps and then VOTE! It was always depressing that when contract votes were counted less than 50% actually took the time to vote.

I guarantee you that the senior guys will vote, especially if they think their pay rate is going to take a hit in order to improve the life of reserve pilots.

Rather, I think the biggest problems you face are crappy schedules, the inability to trade and the reduced QOL due to fewer and fewer days off. The senior guys are still doing fine with line bidding...are you?

L-AS pilots have always been afraid of PMS because they've been historically shafted by KB and her line bidding philosophy. Perhaps its time to finally give the Company the PMS they've long desired with the caveat that its something like the system the VX people had.

But, hey, its not up to me. I'm just an interested observer at this point. Decide what you want, give explicit MARCHING ORDERS to the MEC and make DAMM sure they follow them. Stay united and you may be surprised what you can accomplish.
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