Originally Posted by OTZeagle1

So when have I been wrong? How about your buddies? Seems like they haven’t gotten anything right to this point. Maybe this is the time, it’s like copying off the paper of the dumbest kid in class and expecting an “A”, brilliant!

Originally Posted by Packrat

Not at all, you're not getting it. That's what happened in the past and an illustration of the "old" mindset. I always hoped that when the new hires, the Kasherstrated and now the VXers became 51% of the voters that mindset would be allocated to the ash heap of history.

That's EXACTLY why my MEC got rid of MEC ratification and switched the ALPA rudder to Membership ratification.

Now its up to YOU to be proactive, demand what YOU want from YOUR LEC and MEC reps and then VOTE! It was always depressing that when contract votes were counted less than 50% actually took the time to vote.

I guarantee you that the senior guys will vote, especially if they think their pay rate is going to take a hit in order to improve the life of reserve pilots.

Rather, I think the biggest problems you face are crappy schedules, the inability to trade and the reduced QOL due to fewer and fewer days off. The senior guys are still doing fine with line bidding...are you?

L-AS pilots have always been afraid of PMS because they've been historically shafted by KB and her line bidding philosophy. Perhaps its time to finally give the Company the PMS they've long desired with the caveat that its something like the system the VX people had.

But, hey, its not up to me. I'm just an interested observer at this point. Decide what you want, give explicit MARCHING ORDERS to the MEC and make DAMM sure they follow them. Stay united and you may be surprised what you can accomplish.

Originally Posted by OTZeagle1

95hr start over at year 1 Captain when you get your upgrade

Originally Posted by Fred Flintstone

I'll ad in a personal observation here. VX had "step pay" not longevity pay. It is a little known fact that those of us in the first pilot class started as "step 4" pilots, $110/hr as we were type rated prior to coming to VX. The irony is we reached 12 years service the day before the JCBA went into effect, staying at 12 year pay.


And while the "go back to year one pay for upgrade" was originally in the business plan, there was enough push back from the line pilots that it and a rather unique scheduling scheme (the buckets) never were implemented.


So OTZ, your assertion is false, but it was in the was in the original plan.

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Originally Posted by Fred Flintstone

I'll ad in a personal observation here. VX had "step pay" not longevity pay. It is a little known fact that those of us in the first pilot class started as "step 4" pilots, $110/hr as we were type rated prior to coming to VX. The irony is we reached 12 years service the day before the JCBA went into effect, staying at 12 year pay.


And while the "go back to year one pay for upgrade" was originally in the business plan, there was enough push back from the line pilots that it and a rather unique scheduling scheme (the buckets) never were implemented.


So OTZ, your assertion is false, but it was in the was in the original plan.

Originally Posted by OTZeagle1

So you were “for the war before you were against it.” All you guys do is prove me right and then argue semantics. Facts are... you went to the lowest paying job in the industry, a company that pushed the industry norms and our careers lower. My only point is you guys need to get off your high horse and quit dogging L-AS. None of you have done **** for our industry!

Good news, the house sold in 3 days 45k above asking. I will check and get back to you guys but I am pretty sure it was a “Skywest Captain”, I guess he used his incredible schedule to finance the place.

Originally Posted by OTZeagle1

Facts are... you went to the lowest paying job in the industry, a company that pushed the industry norms and our careers lower.