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Old 04-28-2022, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy View Post
121 lines for June Boeing in LA? Staffing problem solved.




April - 132
May - 125
June - 121


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April - 403
May - 416
June - 381



Lotta cuts to flying, loss of revenue and profit, but don’t worry we somehow have so much leverage, they are shaking at the knees and cut flying + put half of the base on reserve.
Relax. It’s been three weeks. Maybe even over three weeks. I’m sure tomorrow they announce the big merger news. 😉😉
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Old 04-28-2022, 10:36 PM
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Yup. Heads are rolling. Lets see, JL. Anyone else? Nope.


So much pressure, they can't wait to get back to the NMB sessions - which by the way, THEY filed for in the first place.
Not sure what your point is. Pilots getting the contracts they deserve have NEVER been a cake walk.

If you understand and internalize this reality, then watching the paint dry on this process will be better appreciated for what it is.
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Old 04-28-2022, 11:20 PM
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I'm just gonna say this because no one has said it yet and I'm going to sound prophetic when proven right. Alaska is going to outbid JetBlue again and will bid 4.5 billion for spirit. That's what all this has been leading up to, can't you all see it? That is the great secret plan. I'm not saying it makes sense or anything but whatevs
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Old 04-29-2022, 03:36 AM
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You've mentioned this a few times now. What's the significance of the company filing for NMB?

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Simply that they filed for it - not ALPA. Or in other words, they filed first. If they had any inkling the NMB would be quick to declare impasse and release into a cooling, would they really have filed for NMB negotiations? Wouldn’t it have made more sense to just continue direct negotiations with ALPA? It seems their move was done with zero fear and well thought out in advance.
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Old 04-29-2022, 06:27 AM
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Look all, It is not our decisions where and when to fly. I want to grow and gain more seniority, upgrade, and reap the benefits for a growing company but that is not going to happen right now.

However, as they do reduce our flying (which pilots can't control) and they hopefully do have reserves (which I assume they will as they continue to reduce our flying do to ensure reserves), I am going to enjoy my summer. Even if there are no reserves, I'm not going to fly 87 like most of the lines in SEA. Personally, I will enjoy family and friends, support our Union and enjoy the summer King fishing and fly around 50ish per month. Make this place work for you. That's the only way to be happy here.
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Old 04-29-2022, 06:29 AM
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I'm just gonna say this because no one has said it yet and I'm going to sound prophetic when proven right. Alaska is going to outbid JetBlue again and will bid 4.5 billion for spirit. That's what all this has been leading up to, can't you all see it? That is the great secret plan. I'm not saying it makes sense or anything but whatevs
That's an immense number of airbii to park, and numerous eastern bases to close.
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Old 04-29-2022, 06:33 AM
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Simply that they filed for it - not ALPA. Or in other words, they filed first. If they had any inkling the NMB would be quick to declare impasse and release into a cooling, would they really have filed for NMB negotiations? Wouldn’t it have made more sense to just continue direct negotiations with ALPA? It seems their move was done with zero fear and well thought out in advance.
Since THEY filed for it, why not drag it out as long as possible? That's not very hard at all, gotta be worth at least a year's delay. You'd have to be a special kind of stupid to send the mediator packing. Or have some other reason not to care.
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Old 04-29-2022, 07:13 AM
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Simply that they filed for it - not ALPA. Or in other words, they filed first. If they had any inkling the NMB would be quick to declare impasse and release into a cooling, would they really have filed for NMB negotiations? Wouldn’t it have made more sense to just continue direct negotiations with ALPA? It seems their move was done with zero fear and well thought out in advance.
They didn't know who the mediator was going to be prior to filing. Doesn't he have some say in how long this drags out? And the company has already taken a position that we are at, or near, an impasse.

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They didn't know who the mediator was going to be prior to filing. Doesn't he have some say in how long this drags out? And the company has already taken a position that we are at, or near, an impasse.

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That is a bit strange management filed. It’s possible they believed alpa was about to file and rolled the dice based on the list of mediators that were available at the time of filing. They didn’t know which one would be selected but they knew which ones were available and which ones would become available. I know alpa does this strategy regularly.

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Old 04-29-2022, 09:40 AM
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That is a bit strange management filed. It’s possible they believed alpa was about to file and rolled the dice based on the list of mediators that were available at the time of filing. They didn’t know which one would be selected but they knew which ones were available and which ones would become available. I know alpa does this strategy regularly.
Not strange at all......lets not forget that this was after private mediation was a disaster. This was the companies "olive branch" to extend to the pilot group in an attempt to gain trust. "see? we WANT to work with ALPA to get you guys the best contract (that aligns with our own values) you deserve....thats why we filed for mediation....."

Its all optics......I hope they finally start to realize that the phrase "My MEC Speaks For Me" isn't a computerized automatic reply.
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