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Old 06-10-2022 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Jet J
Anyone else interviewing later this month?
Yep, most the FOs I fly with are interviewing at United or Delta later this month.
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Old 06-10-2022 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Ohio
Yep, most the FOs I fly with are interviewing at United or Delta later this month.

After it is all said and done, who is going to be left over there?

No, honestly- Think about it. They over-hire. The ones which know better leave. Who’s left?

It those that can leave do leave for greener pastures, you’ll possibly be right back where you were years ago, left with a bunch of guys and gals most-likely willing to settle for less in exchange for being in the PNW, that and a bunch of guys and gals for which it’s too late to leave, and a bunch that regret not leaving years ago

Will there be enough No-voters to prevent a repeat of contracts past? It’ll have to be more than your angry 800 VA no-votes to prevent déjà vu all over again. Can you say 92% of the top three boys and girls? That’ll be what management will want
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Old 06-10-2022 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by GearBoy
After it is all said and done, who is going to be left over there?

No, honestly- Think about it. They over-hire. The ones which know better leave. Who’s left?

It those that can leave do leave for greener pastures, you’ll possibly be right back where you were years ago, left with a bunch of guys and gals most-likely willing to settle for less in exchange for being in the PNW, that and a bunch of guys and gals for which it’s too late to leave, and a bunch that regret not leaving years ago

Will there be enough No-voters to prevent a repeat of contracts past? It’ll have to be more than your angry 800 VA no-votes to prevent déjà vu all over again. Can you say 92% of the top three boys and girls? That’ll be what management will want
1500 on the street picketing and a 99% vote for strike authorization, and you doubt the resolve of the group to achieve a decent contract….interesting.
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Old 06-10-2022 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by speedbird85
So nobody knows how often classes are and the size of each class?
Unlike lots of other airlines, hiring-the process involved, training-the process involved and seniority both base and overall are rarely if ever talked about. Seniority is published twice a year. Base seniority never. Lots of wild guesses sold as facts here but that is the stone truth…The only accurate report on class dates, number and number of pilots in a class will be available 90 days after it happened. 23 years in and it has never changed…..
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Old 06-10-2022 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by AK22
1500 on the street picketing and a 99% vote for strike authorization, and you doubt the resolve of the group to achieve a decent contract….interesting.
Don’t get me wrong. I wish you guys luck.

Resolve? I don’t doubt your resolve. If only it were a question of resolve. The question is whether or not you’ll get a good TA truly worthy of a yes vote or another marginal one crafted to pass with that 50%-plus-one vote.Will your union again sell you the TA via road show? Will your union again tell you that you deserve better but they think you should take it because of the time value of money argument? Retro-pay or the Company preferred signing bonus? Is there enough resolve to vote-down a turd and start over again? That’ll take time. Resolve fades over time.

like I said, I wish you guys luck. You’ll need it. The system and time is against you. I’m also of the opinion that the only way you guys will ever get the contract changes that you need is through a strike. You’re just too far behind. You need to start over from scratch.

I do think you guys have the resolve to strike, Whether you’ll ever get the chance, that’s the question.

Absent a strike, you’ll more than likely get a TA designed to pass by 50%+1. That’ll be the real test of your resolve.
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Old 06-10-2022 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by GearBoy
Don’t get me wrong. I wish you guys luck.

Resolve? I don’t doubt your resolve. If only it were a question of resolve. The question is whether or not you’ll get a good TA truly worthy of a yes vote or another marginal one crafted to pass with that 50%-plus-one vote.Will your union again sell you the TA via road show? Will your union again tell you that you deserve better but they think you should take it because of the time value of money argument? Retro-pay or the Company preferred signing bonus? Is there enough resolve to vote-down a turd and start over again? That’ll take time. Resolve fades over time.

like I said, I wish you guys luck. You’ll need it. The system and time is against you. I’m also of the opinion that the only way you guys will ever get the contract changes that you need is through a strike. You’re just too far behind. You need to start over from scratch.

I do think you guys have the resolve to strike, Whether you’ll ever get the chance, that’s the question.

Absent a strike, you’ll more than likely get a TA designed to pass by 50%+1. That’ll be the real test of your resolve.
We’ll make sure to have our MEC/LEC leadership, the same ones that have produced an epic level of transparency and unity over the last 3 years, run it by you for your approval before they send it to us and try and sell us on a “turd”.
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Old 06-10-2022 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by av8or
We’ll make sure to have our MEC/LEC leadership, the same ones that have produced an epic level of transparency and unity over the last 3 years, run it by you for your approval before they send it to us and try and sell us on a “turd”.
Although it takes two to tango, despite epic transparency and unity, you are going to get a contract when Alaska management is ready and not before. That’s who is going to give it to you, not your MEC/LEC. They’ll decide whether to send it out to you, which they will most likely do, even if it’s one of those 50%+1 TAs, aka a turd.

The choice you ‘ll get is YES or NO

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Old 06-11-2022 | 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by GearBoy
Don’t get me wrong. I wish you guys luck.

Resolve? I don’t doubt your resolve. If only it were a question of resolve. The question is whether or not you’ll get a good TA truly worthy of a yes vote or another marginal one crafted to pass with that 50%-plus-one vote.Will your union again sell you the TA via road show? Will your union again tell you that you deserve better but they think you should take it because of the time value of money argument? Retro-pay or the Company preferred signing bonus? Is there enough resolve to vote-down a turd and start over again? That’ll take time. Resolve fades over time.

like I said, I wish you guys luck. You’ll need it. The system and time is against you. I’m also of the opinion that the only way you guys will ever get the contract changes that you need is through a strike. You’re just too far behind. You need to start over from scratch.

I do think you guys have the resolve to strike, Whether you’ll ever get the chance, that’s the question.

Absent a strike, you’ll more than likely get a TA designed to pass by 50%+1. That’ll be the real test of your resolve.
So, you don’t even work here and you’re an expert on the resolve of our group and negotiating aptitude of our union…how about **** and move along…
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Old 06-11-2022 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by GearBoy
Although it takes two to tango, despite epic transparency and unity, you are going to get a contract when Alaska management is ready and not before. That’s who is going to give it to you, not your MEC/LEC. They’ll decide whether to send it out to you, which they will most likely do, even if it’s one of those 50%+1 TAs, aka a turd.

The choice you ‘ll get is YES or NO
The tide is changing, and whether they become ready on their own volition, or we have to nudge them along to that point, AS managent will eventually agree to a contract that'll be much closer to our terms, rather than theirs.

I'd say they are being nudged along more than anything else, and the demonstrated unity and resolve of the MEC/LEC/NC and the pilot body, is a big part of the reason that's happening.

There'll be no 50%+1 TA. You clearly are underestimating ASALPA, and clearly don't understand the mood of our pilots.

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Old 06-11-2022 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by GearBoy
Don’t get me wrong. I wish you guys luck.

Resolve? I don’t doubt your resolve. If only it were a question of resolve. The question is whether or not you’ll get a good TA truly worthy of a yes vote or another marginal one crafted to pass with that 50%-plus-one vote.Will your union again sell you the TA via road show? Will your union again tell you that you deserve better but they think you should take it because of the time value of money argument? Retro-pay or the Company preferred signing bonus? Is there enough resolve to vote-down a turd and start over again? That’ll take time. Resolve fades over time.

like I said, I wish you guys luck. You’ll need it. The system and time is against you. I’m also of the opinion that the only way you guys will ever get the contract changes that you need is through a strike. You’re just too far behind. You need to start over from scratch.

I do think you guys have the resolve to strike, Whether you’ll ever get the chance, that’s the question.

Absent a strike, you’ll more than likely get a TA designed to pass by 50%+1. That’ll be the real test of your resolve.
You don’t think the pilot group has the resolve to strike???

Put your drink down & Sober up, cause a strike authorization vote just passed at 99% of the group saying yes. How is that not the resolve then?
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